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    I have no problem with gracious people giving credit to Illawarra for their "victory". You sound like very good sports, good on you. And it is best to move on.

    Nothing will change however the fact that although some calls went against Illawarra, the big ones worth points went way way in their favour. I don't need to list them, they have all been done to death. Even the FOX commentators cast legitimate doubt over most of their tries.

    AND, I would cop that sweet if the penalties were not 5-1 against us. AND I would cop THAT sweet if we had not been the most penalised side all year.

    AND I would accept that too, were it not for the very difficult (for the NRL) to explain stat that on top of THAT, we have also RECEIVED the LEAST penalties of any side this year. That's right, the most penalised AND receiving the least penalties (the NRL would have us believe that every team improves THEIR discipline when and only when they play the roosters.

    In short, we have been consistently ****ed over big time by the match officials, and if I had my way I would demand some ****ing answers from the game's administrators.

    In spite of all that, we had a team that was in front at half time in the GF. They are bloody legends and I could not love this team any more.

  • #2
    How dare you mention these facts! BAD SPORT!

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    • #3
      Thanks for calling me a good sport player 1, but the truth is, I really am not. I've blamed just about everyone after Sunday but when it comes down to it, it really is up to the boys on field.

      I don't know what to make of this conspiracy theory regarding our club and the referees. We do get dudded quite a lot but I feel very childish when I blame the ref for a loss.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by elo View Post
        How dare you mention these facts! BAD SPORT!
        Yeah be careful player 1, don't "****ing blame the refs" because it's "typical bad ELITE sportsmanship" and you'll be branded a "12 year old Eels fan".
        FONK

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        • #5
          I think we need a Grand Final "Low Lights" video to highlight all of the low acts the refs commited. If the situation was reversed and we won after Morris pushed Pez into touch it would have been all over the paper for weeks, a bit like the scrum the tigers whinged about or the try Manly whinged about. Maybe then Harrigan and Archer would be sent back to ref U12s with their touchie mate. Hopefully we can get revenge and 2011 will be known as the "Year of the Cock"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lauren View Post
            Thanks for calling me a good sport player 1, but the truth is, I really am not. I've blamed just about everyone after Sunday but when it comes down to it, it really is up to the boys on field.

            I don't know what to make of this conspiracy theory regarding our club and the referees. We do get dudded quite a lot but I feel very childish when I blame the ref for a loss.
            I can tell even from just your posts you're a quality person Lauren. And I don't want to be a bad sport. But I would just like someone to put those statistics to David Gallop with a "would you care to offer an explanation". Spirit of 66 has the fine details, but I think we received the least penalties last year also.

            I guess because I have become used to the roosters somehow courageously finding a way to win against all odds, I felt so sorry for them when they lost their spirits in the second half.

            I don't blame Hayne though. We always seem to get a fair enough go from him, he is the exception. And I believe he gave us that tigers game scrum decision as a square up for the video ref's failure to act on the JWH high tackle.

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            • #7
              you know player 1 you are one of the wallsters I really, really respect.

              You are thoughtful and courteous and very much RW & B.

              I tend to take the piss on most issues these days but I simply do not believe the better team lost.
              Brian Smith must coach the boys to push the envelope all year in term of penalties.
              I wrote a thread about it 4 months ago. In my opinion, we were consistently slowing down the play the ball. We desreve to get hammered because our oppositions were consistently losing their attacking rhythm.
              As far as not receiving penalties..........hmmmmm. I feel that has to do with keeping the penalty count low because we keep giving them away.

              Live by the sword, die by the sword.
              Brian Smith has you all conned.
              I see right through him.
              barbarian ......arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!

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              • #8
                Fair enough Trew. At least you have offered the first plausible explanation why we might be receiving the least penalties, that doesn't involve mating with goats and secret handshakes...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by trewhella View Post
                  As far as not receiving penalties..........hmmmmm. I feel that has to do with keeping the penalty count low because we keep giving them away.
                  Logically this makes sense, but the statistics don't back it up.

                  Of the 8 teams that concede the most penalties, 4 of them win the majority of their penalty counts. Cronulla and the Roosters concede virtually an identical number of penalties (6.17 and 6.21 per game respectively), but Cronulla are awarded the most (7.13) and the Roosters are awarded the least (4.57).

                  Statistically, there is no strong correlation between penalties conceded and penalties awarded.
                  FONK

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by trewhella View Post
                    you know player 1 you are one of the wallsters I really, really respect.

                    You are thoughtful and courteous and very much RW & B.

                    I tend to take the piss on most issues these days but I simply do not believe the better team lost.
                    Brian Smith must coach the boys to push the envelope all year in term of penalties.
                    I wrote a thread about it 4 months ago. In my opinion, we were consistently slowing down the play the ball. We desreve to get hammered because our oppositions were consistently losing their attacking rhythm.
                    As far as not receiving penalties..........hmmmmm. I feel that has to do with keeping the penalty count low because we keep giving them away.

                    Live by the sword, die by the sword.
                    Brian Smith has you all conned.
                    I see right through him.
                    That may be right true

                    it still doesnt explain, morris passing from row 8, morris pushing pez in the back, hornby knocking pez into morris, young kniocking the ball forward, costigan taking mni out without the ball and carneys pass being called forward????

                    Laying on players is a completely differant issue than being farked up the arse week in week out with tries resulting

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by pearcesworstnightmare View Post
                      That may be right true

                      it still doesnt explain, morris passing from row 8, morris pushing pez in the back, hornby knocking pez into morris, young kniocking the ball forward, costigan taking mni out without the ball and carneys pass being called forward????

                      Laying on players is a completely differant issue than being farked up the arse week in week out with tries resulting
                      Dont St George do this well though, They get three in the tackle and slowly get off one by one, they also tend to get up very early at the play the ball, a little to early for me, marginally off side is how I see that ploy. That is why they can get in the face of the halves and cut down their time and space, and that is why they have such a good defensive record.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kramer View Post
                        Dont St George do this well though, They get three in the tackle and slowly get off one by one, they also tend to get up very early at the play the ball, a little to early for me, marginally off side is how I see that ploy. That is why they can get in the face of the halves and cut down their time and space, and that is why they have such a good defensive record.
                        Sounds like a detailed description of every Bennett coached broncos side.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by trewhella View Post

                          Live by the sword, die by the sword.
                          Brian Smith has you all conned.
                          I see right through him.
                          The same thing has happened to us in the past 5 years.. In fact I am pretty sure I saw that since 2001 we have only won >50% of penalty counts once.
                          ...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by trewhella View Post
                            you know player 1 you are one of the wallsters I really, really respect.

                            You are thoughtful and courteous and very much RW & B.

                            I tend to take the piss on most issues these days but I simply do not believe the better team lost.
                            Brian Smith must coach the boys to push the envelope all year in term of penalties.
                            I wrote a thread about it 4 months ago. In my opinion, we were consistently slowing down the play the ball. We desreve to get hammered because our oppositions were consistently losing their attacking rhythm.
                            As far as not receiving penalties..........hmmmmm. I feel that has to do with keeping the penalty count low because we keep giving them away.

                            Live by the sword, die by the sword.
                            Brian Smith has you all conned.
                            I see right through him.
                            Do you also want us to believe Wayne Bennett is not pushing the envelope? Secondly, how do you explain receiving the least penalties? Does he coach the team to allow the opposition to be more disciplined? I think these issues go far more deeper than our coach.
                            ...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by redwhiteandbluester View Post
                              Logically this makes sense, but the statistics don't back it up.

                              Of the 8 teams that concede the most penalties, 4 of them win the majority of their penalty counts. Cronulla and the Roosters concede virtually an identical number of penalties (6.17 and 6.21 per game respectively), but Cronulla are awarded the most (7.13) and the Roosters are awarded the least (4.57).

                              Statistically, there is no strong correlation between penalties conceded and penalties awarded.

                              interesting stat.....

                              Still,I dont feel there is an agenda against us.
                              We are coached to push the envelope. The refs know this about our style of play, they do watch videos of the games.
                              Perhaps the disparity lies in the fact that Cronulla finished near the tail and we finished near the top. Losing teams often garner sympathy votes from refs in my opinion, especially towards the end of games.

                              I watch both the roosters and sharks closely.
                              I guarantee that if I sat down with you and showed you the niggle that goes in every defensive set that slows down the play the ball you could understand the refs frustration.
                              That is where Smith is a good coach.
                              However, cause it goes the wrong way on Grand Final day you have to simply wear it because it is not like it was out of character for our club.
                              Saints are experts at NOT giving away penalties. It seems clear to me that the 28 games preceeding the GF helped dicate the close decisions in the decider.

                              As I said,
                              Live by the sword, die by the sword.
                              barbarian ......arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!

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