Roosters Penalty Stats

[BallyChook]

Well...In fairness to refs refs, assuming the refs might be fair, they can't be looking at everything so you can't assume they will see and rule that a hit was on the head and with a force to do damage. The fact that these other players stay down, is to let the officials know to review it. If our players are instructed not to stay down, than that's our problem because a ref might not be looking at the time of such hit. You can't have your cake and eat it in this case. I'm with the thinking that if others do it to get away with penalties, then we should be doing it as well otherwise don't whinge.

I prefer to look at it from the point of view "well in fairness to the Roosters". That's an oxymoron though. There are 2 refs on the field. How on earth could they have missed the high shot on SBW against Souths. They never seem to miss it when we collect someone high (despite the lay down sallys). While-ever we have the stats against us as pointed out in this thread I think we're all entitled to whinge. Just because we choose not to lay down doesn't negate that right.

[BallyChook]

Number of times less than 5 penalties received in 2014:-

Roosters - 10
Souths - Zero

Number of times 9 or more penalties received in 2014:-

Roosters - 1
Souths - 13

How is that not match fixing? And how are we as Roosters fans supposed to love the NRL when this happens?

The amazing thing about these stats too Tommy, is that Souths are obviously getting a bucketful of penalties playing against sides yet when those other sides play us they magically become more disciplined against us. I'd really like to see a stat (if someone out there is so inclined and has time) which gives the number of penalties that a team conceded in the round before and the round after they played us. That would be interesting to see the anomalies there.

[ROC181]

I prefer to look at it from the point of view "well in fairness to the Roosters". That's an oxymoron though. There are 2 refs on the field. How on earth could they have missed the high shot on SBW against Souths. They never seem to miss it when we collect someone high (despite the lay down sallys). While-ever we have the stats against us as pointed out in this thread I think we're all entitled to whinge. Just because we choose not to lay down doesn't negate that right.

There are 2 ref and 2 touchies & Yep anyone can see it (as well anyone can be looking elsewhere at that moment) however they have to judge in that split second if the hit is deemed dangerous to cause damage to the player AND if the player is going to get to his feet straight away, then their decision is made easier BUT if the player stays down, then it goes to the vidiot and a hit to the chops looks better in slow Mo.

As for 'they don't seem to miss when we hit them high' bit, well I recall when JWH hit McQueen with his elbow to the neck in 13'. The refs were going to let it go but since McQueen stayed down, the refs sent it to the vidiots. Unless you highlight it to them, then they wont act against it.

[BallyChook]

There are 2 ref and 2 touchies & Yep anyone can see it (as well anyone can be looking elsewhere at that moment) however they have to judge in that split second if the hit is deemed dangerous to cause damage to the player AND if the player is going to get to his feet straight away, then their decision is made easier BUT if the player stays down, then it goes to the vidiot and a hit to the chops looks better in slow Mo.

As for 'they don't seem to miss when we hit them high' bit, well I recall when JWH hit McQueen with his elbow to the neck in 13'. The refs were going to let it go but since McQueen stayed down, the refs sent it to the vidiots. Unless you highlight it to them, then they wont act against it.

You must admit though they tend to be looking a lot elsewhere when comes to infringements against us. SBW was also hit high late in the match against the Cowboys by Sims but again it was missed. It happens way too often to be explained away.

Anyway, I suppose my real beef is that the refs generally seem to only ref us when we play, whereas they are more likely 'coach' other sides.

[The Rooster Oracle]

Number of times less than 5 penalties received in 2014:-

Roosters - 10
Souths - Zero

Number of times 9 or more penalties received in 2014:-

Roosters - 1
Souths - 13

How is that not match fixing? And how are we as Roosters fans supposed to love the NRL when this happens?

Exactly TS, it is blatant match fixing/cheating!! There are no ifs or buts about it, no pussy footing around it that it is simply only because of some innocent tip sheets the refs go by for years on end after big turn over of players and coaches, 'the stats prove that the NRL and their refs are as corrupt as hell!!' lol@$ouff$ continue to get all the favors year after year while we get f***ed over year after year! Only a total f***ing DC can't see how this obvious cheating continually goes on!!

[Guest]

If you divide the points scored by the penalties received you can see a stark difference between us and the vermin

Roosters points scored per penalty received 4.55
Vermin points scored per penalty received 2.67

Here is the table for points scored per penalty received

Roosters 4.55
Warriors 3.75
Cowboys 3.61
Brisbane 3.54
Eels 3.43
Storm 3.19
StMerge 3.08
Sea Eagles 3.07
Knights 3.06
Raiders 2.94
Panthers 2.85
VERMIN 2.67
Tigers 2.59
Bulldogs 2.50
Titans 2.15
Sharks 2.12

You wasted your time compiling this stat as it is totally useless. Many times a penalty is given when a team is coming out of its own half and does not lead to a score. Nor does your analysis take into account a team choosing to take the 2 points where another team will attempt to score a try from the same position. Since you're into this type of analysis the appropriate analysis, since we are discussing the attacking merits of teams and trying to link it to penalties, would be to look at tries scored in a set following a penalty. While you're at it compile a list of tries scored off kicks as apposed to ball in hand attack. So in my opinion your analysis proved no one's point unless we are not really looking for the truth but merely trying to grasp at any straw to find why we were smashed out of the finals

[Guest]

No way they wanted to look at the Burgess hit on SBW, and have the possibility of him being put on report. The decision was a bloody joke. You knew we were doomed when they had the refs training with Souths during the week. WTF? Are the NRL serious?

As for the coaches' edict that the Roosters don't lay down, well, it is time to start fighting fire with fire Robbo. I know where you are coming from, however, we must have an even playing field.

Hypothetically, if the team was on holidays in say the U.S. of A., and some crazy started shooting at you, would you lay down or stand your ground and die. I know it is a bit rich, however, how many times have you heard someone play dead and survive.

Time to stand up Robbo, no pun intended, and get with the times. The game is always changing and at the moment, if you stay down - not get up slowly - you will get a penalty. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride to get the best result for the team no matter what.

[Guest]

There are 2 ref and 2 touchies & Yep anyone can see it (as well anyone can be looking elsewhere at that moment) however they have to judge in that split second if the hit is deemed dangerous to cause damage to the player AND if the player is going to get to his feet straight away, then their decision is made easier BUT if the player stays down, then it goes to the vidiot and a hit to the chops looks better in slow Mo.

As for 'they don't seem to miss when we hit them high' bit, well I recall when JWH hit McQueen with his elbow to the neck in 13'. The refs were going to let it go but since McQueen stayed down, the refs sent it to the vidiots. Unless you highlight it to them, then they wont act against it.

The vidiot misses sfa ... They choose when the want to interfere.. Wanker!

[Guest]

No way they wanted to look at the Burgess hit on SBW, and have the possibility of him being put on report. The decision was a bloody joke. You knew we were doomed when they had the refs training with Souths during the week. WTF? Are the NRL serious?

As for the coaches' edict that the Roosters don't lay down, well, it is time to start fighting fire with fire Robbo. I know where you are coming from, however, we must have an even playing field.

Hypothetically, if the team was on holidays in say the U.S. of A., and some crazy started shooting at you, would you lay down or stand your ground and die. I know it is a bit rich, however, how many times have you heard someone play dead and survive.

Time to stand up Robbo, no pun intended, and get with the times. The game is always changing and at the moment, if you stay down - not get up slowly - you will get a penalty. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride to get the best result for the team no matter what.

Yeh..

[Guest]

Yeh..

Wainker 😃

[Johnny Tobin]

I prefer to look at it from the point of view "well in fairness to the Roosters". That's an oxymoron though. There are 2 refs on the field. How on earth could they have missed the high shot on SBW against Souths. They never seem to miss it when we collect someone high (despite the lay down sallys). While-ever we have the stats against us as pointed out in this thread I think we're all entitled to whinge. Just because we choose not to lay down doesn't negate that right.

They didn't miss it. One of the refs said he had high contact. Then Sonny got up and played the ball.

It's a joke.

[Bansai Pipeline]

When is this year's coach's forum?

I imagine this will be the main talking point.

[Johnny Tobin]

I heard it was in the pre-season. Probably in Feb.

[ROC181]

They didn't miss it. One of the refs said he had high contact. Then Sonny got up and played the ball.

It's a joke.

Well then he shoulda stayed down, end of story!

[Johnny Tobin]

I prefer they don't.