Some facts

[The Rooster Oracle]

I've noticed that too.

Really quite sad for a "Roosters" forum.

F***ing oath, it makes me sick and I really don't get it!!

Great thread Ray! A few facts are we shit all over lol@$ouff$ as a club and we actually had to 'earn' our premiership last year, unlike lol@$ouff$ who were heavily assisted by the refs, match review committee, judiciary, match scheduling, cheating the salary cap and performance enhancements such as the chips and drugs!!

[Johnny.]

Then of course the self-righteousness of not staying down. Is it Robbo's job to win us a premiership or to ensure the players attend church every Sunday?

Diceman, who would you rather be? Barry Bonds or Hank Aaron. Barry Bonds will always have an asterisk next to his record, Hank Aaron won't.

The Bunnies will not be investigated for those magical wrist bands or for breaking the rule set in stone about concussions but they bloody should be. If Sam Burgess had lost his eye, like telerag said he could then would there be the celebrations there have been? Don't think so.

I'd rather follow a team that gets beaten without cheating than a team that cheats by using drugs to win.

[The Rooster Oracle]

I take pride in the fact that we are the only team to have played in every year of the comp.

I bloody love that fact!! We are the oldest club in the NRL and have been good enough to compete every year, unlike lol@$ouff$ who were so shit they died for a few years!

[bondi paul]

The fitness excuse is wearing a little thin. I have been training with intensity cycling for well over a decade, so I was very aware that without an off-season we would back off throughout the season with a view of hitting peak fitness for the finals. That is why when other supporters including TS were readying to slit their wrists, I was still confident.

Go back and re-watch the Cowboys game and tell me if any other team in the comp would have had the fitness levels not only to be able to hang on, but actually dominate in the forwards for the last 20 minutes to win that game. Fitness only became an issue in the Souths game because we had run our dash. Had we been a little smarter tactically in any of those three finals games fitness would have been a non-issue.

I accept and take on board your comments yet our fitness and in particular JWH was at times a bit off dice sure you are right about the peaking factor I know what you mean as you mention you are a cyclist I competed too but in athletics at quite a high level.Jwh was a slug in 2014 he had no speed at all

[Headless Chook]

Between 1912 and 1925 there was no semi-final system and a final was only played if two clubs finished level at the conclusion of the Minor Premiership. Souths won the 1909 premiership when Balmain forfeited in protest against the final being played as a preliminary match before a promotional game between the national Rugby League and Rugby Union sides. The 1937 season also featured no finals as the year was disrupted by the Kangaroos tour. Between 1926 and 1953 first played third and second played fourth and winners played off. If the minor premiers were defeated they had a right of challenge, but if they were not defeated there was no true "grand final."

From 1954 a mandatory grand final was introduced in which there was a knockout minor semi-final between third and fourth and a second-chance major semi between first and second. The winner of the major semi went to the grand final and a preliminary final was played between the winner of the minor semi and the loser of the major semi to decide who would meet the winner of the major semi.

In 1973 a final five was devised with the top team going straight into the major semi, the second and third teams playing a major preliminary semi, and the fourth and fifth playing a sudden-death minor preliminary semi. The top team played the winner of the major preliminary semi-final, whilst the winner of the minor preliminary semi played the loser of the major preliminary semi in the minor semi-final (which was played as before under the final four system.


so merge has 15 real grand finals, mandy has 6. souff has7 , parra and canb and the drongos have 5 we have 3.

Parra won in 81, 82, 83 and 86 so that's 4. Canberra won in 89, 90 and again in 94 so that's only 3. We won in 74, 75, 2002 and 2014 so that's 4. Haven't checked the rest but they were the standout errors.

[TDK]

Diceman, who would you rather be? Barry Bonds or Hank Aaron. Barry Bonds will always have an asterisk next to his record, Hank Aaron won't.

The Bunnies will not be investigated for those magical wrist bands or for breaking the rule set in stone about concussions but they bloody should be. If Sam Burgess had lost his eye, like telerag said he could then would there be the celebrations there have been? Don't think so.

I'd rather follow a team that gets beaten without cheating than a team that cheats by using drugs to win.

What drugs are we talking about?

[Guest]

I accept and take on board your comments yet our fitness and in particular JWH was at times a bit off dice sure you are right about the peaking factor I know what you mean as you mention you are a cyclist I competed too but in athletics at quite a high level.Jwh was a slug in 2014 he had no speed at all

I am not a cyclist. I train using Intensity Cycling. It is a training methodology also being used by the NRL teams.



JWH vs Penrith: 109m / 41 tackles
JWH vs Cowboys: 111m / 35 tackles
JWH vs Souths: 68m / 42 tackles


Those stats suggest JWH is a little fitter than you give him credit for. The inability to make metres against Souths more to do with our terrible tactics and resultant lack of possession.

[Johnny.]

What drugs are we talking about?

The ones given to McGuire by that American doctor that McGuire said "don't ****ing give them to the Roosters."

http://www.thechookpen.com.au/forum/...-Roosters-quot

That guy.

[Guest]

Diceman, who would you rather be? Barry Bonds or Hank Aaron. Barry Bonds will always have an asterisk next to his record, Hank Aaron won't.

The Bunnies will not be investigated for those magical wrist bands or for breaking the rule set in stone about concussions but they bloody should be. If Sam Burgess had lost his eye, like telerag said he could then would there be the celebrations there have been? Don't think so.

I'd rather follow a team that gets beaten without cheating than a team that cheats by using drugs to win.

Against all odds the Bulldogs beat the Storm, Manly, and were right in it until late in the grand final. And it all came down to Hasler (whom incidentally is the most successful coach of recent time) being ruthless and pushing the limits of the rules. Hasler has no problem manipulating refs in the media, kicking a ball into the ref, foul play, laying down in tackles. If Robbo was in charge of the Bulldogs they wouldn't have made the grand final in the first place, and even if they did the grand final would have been over in the first 20 minutes.

So I think it really comes down to whether you want a premiership, or happy to be a morally correct also ran. Personally, I would take a ruthless coach like Hasler ahead of Robbo any day of the week. And I would love nothing more than Robbo to prove me wrong.

[Guest]

Did you forget 74 or 2002, cos we've had 4 GF wins since 74!

[Johnny.]

Against all odds the Bulldogs beat the Storm, Manly, and were right in it until late in the grand final. And it all came down to Hasler (whom incidentally is the most successful coach of recent time) being ruthless and pushing the limits of the rules. Hasler has no problem manipulating refs in the media, kicking a ball into the ref, foul play, laying down in tackles. If Robbo was in charge of the Bulldogs they wouldn't have made the grand final in the first place, and even if they did the grand final would have been over in the first 20 minutes.

So I think it really comes down to whether you want a premiership, or happy to be a morally correct also ran. Personally, I would take a ruthless coach like Hasler ahead of Robbo any day of the week. And I would love nothing more than Robbo to prove me wrong.

All you have to be able to do is look at yourself in the mirror and not mind what you see. If that means cheating to win, then so be it. It's not for me.

This is the perfect opportunity to say that I preferred when were also rans, when wins were not as assured as they have been lately. Part of me hopes that we go back to the pack for a few years as I could cop that, if it meant being straight.

[Kingbilly]

If the Roosters were not decimated by injury and playing busted we would have smashed everyone

[player 1]

What drugs are we talking about?

The ones your mother takes.

[TDK]

The ones given to McGuire by that American doctor that McGuire said "don't ****ing give them to the Roosters."

http://www.thechookpen.com.au/forum/...-Roosters-quot

That guy.

You can't be serious, those chips are like cigarette patches and useless lol. Maguire most likely knew they were useless but he also knew he had a bunch of dumb brain dead footballers at his disposal who would believe anything he told them. I don't think those patches they put on their shoulders or chests would qualify for performance enhancing drugs lol, unless they ate them and washed them down with Thymosin Beta 4.

[Guest]

All you have to be able to do is look at yourself in the mirror and not mind what you see. If that means cheating to win, then so be it. It's not for me.

This is the perfect opportunity to say that I preferred when were also rans, when wins were not as assured as they have been lately. Part of me hopes that we go back to the pack for a few years as I could cop that, if it meant being straight.

SBW was collected illegally by Sam Burgess and didn't received a penalty. Had SBW stayed down you would call it cheating. I would call it justice being served.