SBW in line for accolade

[Tommy Smith]

Fair enough. Each to their own. I personally think you're dramatically underrating the Cowboys roster over the last 7-8 years.

To me, a player will always earn his salt - his reputation - based on what he does at club level. Performing in finals footy and winning Premierships.

Rep footy in comparison is just window dressing. I don't judge the two best players I've ever seen - Johns and Freddy - on rep footy. I judge them on there unparalleled dominance of club football for over a decade.

Something JT hasn't really threatened to do, as evidenced by his win % and finals football record.

[Guest]

Stop reading the DT then mate... It's crap if you hadn't heard. Same with 9 commentators trying to dress up their product. Face value...

Ah come on mate that's a bit rough, the Daily up up Cronulla Telegragh is the best. Rothfield & Wilson know more about League & every player & coach's private life that anyone else.

It's also good to clean the windows with after I have read it.

[ism22]

Moral of the story, if I have to read another article stating how Inglis, Slater, Smith and Thurston are ALL certain future Immortals ... really? Well then welcome to Immortal status Freddy, Sterlo, Kenny, Daley, Alfie, Lockyer just to name a recent few greats.

People place far too much credence on the gimmick that is SOO. Club football is 100x more important. Players earn their paychecks at club level. I would take 1 Premiership over an infinite number of Origin series. And yet people could care less about JTs lack of dominance at club level because he plays well against a dogshit NSW team 3 games a year.

Hilarious.

FWIW on paper te Cowboys are potentially better than us. They have at least a 'big 3', including the likes of - JT, Bowen, Scott, Tamou, Sims x 2, Lui, Tate...

Todd Carney took the Roosters to a GF with a significantly inferior outfit. Credit where due really, IMO besides being part of 2 invincible teams, JT has severely under-performed at club level.

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Tate > Jennings (apparently)
Scott > Cords
Bowen > Mini
Tamou > Moa/JWH
JT > Maloney
Lui > Pearce (people hate Pearce and think he's over-rated massively... Lui would be huge if he didn't have off-field issues).
Linnett > SKD
Sims > Guerra

On paper JT has the boys. Only premiership he has won is as a junior on the bench of a cheating Bulldogs outfit.

Slot Carney/DCE/Maloney/Soward...etc into the world cup or QLD squad and they'd still win.

Not saying I don't rate JT but you get 'player of the year' status on performance, not reputation. I think JT could have done a lot better at club level (and FWIW didn't dominate NSW out of Origin. We lost by 2 points... 2 points is nothing and does not show that JT is the master given he had a much better roster, no Duges/Fergo off-field BS and no injuries that compare with that of Gallen being out).

[Arties Pie]

FWIW on paper te Cowboys are potentially better than us. They have at least a 'big 3', including the likes of - JT, Bowen, Scott, Tamou, Sims x 2, Lui, Tate...

Todd Carney took the Roosters to a GF with a significantly inferior outfit. Credit where due really, IMO besides being part of 2 invincible teams, JT has severely under-performed at club level.

I have at agree there, personally I don't think he's as good as he used to be and was never as good as Freddy was, memories of that step and his ability to score tries along with his sublime kicking and passing bring a smile to the face. Watch the Decade Of Excellence dvd as there are many examples of Freddies brilliance to be seen there.

[Hawkeye]

Bowen has left the Cows .... I think Lachlan Coote is his replacement.

[Guest]

FWIW on paper te Cowboys are potentially better than us. They have at least a 'big 3', including the likes of - JT, Bowen, Scott, Tamou, Sims x 2, Lui, Tate...

Todd Carney took the Roosters to a GF with a significantly inferior outfit. Credit where due really, IMO besides being part of 2 invincible teams, JT has severely under-performed at club level.

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Tate > Jennings (apparently)
Scott > Cords
Bowen > Mini
Tamou > Moa/JWH
JT > Maloney
Lui > Pearce (people hate Pearce and think he's over-rated massively... Lui would be huge if he didn't have off-field issues).
Linnett > SKD
Sims > Guerra

On paper JT has the boys. Only premiership he has won is as a junior on the bench of a cheating Bulldogs outfit.

Slot Carney/DCE/Maloney/Soward...etc into the world cup or QLD squad and they'd still win.

Not saying I don't rate JT but you get 'player of the year' status on performance, not reputation. I think JT could have done a lot better at club level (and FWIW didn't dominate NSW out of Origin. We lost by 2 points... 2 points is nothing and does not show that JT is the master given he had a much better roster, no Duges/Fergo off-field BS and no injuries that compare with that of Gallen being out).

Please... So you would swap their roster for ours? You would swap our roster of the 2000's for theirs? You're kidding.

T. Sims played from bench most of games this yr, Ashton is not a front line NRL player, Lui played half a season and is not better than Pearce, no number 9 (actually they used 5-Moore, kostjacyn, Mitchell, Morgan and Thompson and none of them r friend), 3 different 7's, Bowen injured 1 week good the next, a backrow that comes nowhere near SBW, Cordner/Guerra and FPN.

And I am sorry to say that JT has killed NSW in origin, maybe not with the run away tries that people only like to admire/acknowledge but in every other facet he has dominated, including some outstanding defensive efforts-considering that's his Achilles.

[Guest]

FWIW on paper te Cowboys are potentially better than us. They have at least a 'big 3', including the likes of - JT, Bowen, Scott, Tamou, Sims x 2, Lui, Tate...

Todd Carney took the Roosters to a GF with a significantly inferior outfit. Credit where due really, IMO besides being part of 2 invincible teams, JT has severely under-performed at club level.

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Tate > Jennings (apparently)
Scott > Cords
Bowen > Mini
Tamou > Moa/JWH
JT > Maloney
Lui > Pearce (people hate Pearce and think he's over-rated massively... Lui would be huge if he didn't have off-field issues).
Linnett > SKD
Sims > Guerra

On paper JT has the boys. Only premiership he has won is as a junior on the bench of a cheating Bulldogs outfit.

Slot Carney/DCE/Maloney/Soward...etc into the world cup or QLD squad and they'd still win.

Not saying I don't rate JT but you get 'player of the year' status on performance, not reputation. I think JT could have done a lot better at club level (and FWIW didn't dominate NSW out of Origin. We lost by 2 points... 2 points is nothing and does not show that JT is the master given he had a much better roster, no Duges/Fergo off-field BS and no injuries that compare with that of Gallen being out).

LOL LOL LOL Jamie Soward.....

[Salvatori Grubber]

This thread has taken a bizarre turn. JT is brilliant and is in the Fittler class.

But, Freddy took Easts sides to the finals that were on paper no better than many Cowboys sides of the past decade.

Then again, our sides of '02, '03, '04 and '13 were far greater sides than the Cowboys have ever been able to field.

[Kingbilly]

bugger me dead some of those individual comparisons are nothing short of comical.
Especially saying Lui is better than pearce and would be a superstar if it was not for his off field behavior, its like saying I would be the greatest player in the history of the game, except I am too old, unfit and need to work on my skills.

[ROC181]

All the skills of the game JT is pretty much there with Freddy. Freddy gets him in defence obviously and the backrow style running Freddy was capable of. JT can finesse better than Freddy ie short kicking and some aspects of ball playing. Totally different players but skills wise they're both there and there abouts, and on their day as great as each other.. And yes I would have Freddy any day of the week but to say JT is nowhere near his league is way off the mark.

How can you compare club history, on the basis of JT playing with Australian front rowers? I am not going to go into the whole comparing rosters things, but surely you can't compare what JT has played with to those Freddy played with, or Lockyer for that matter? Throw in NQ having to win in Sydney, you can't expect JT to do with his teams what Freddy or Lockyer did with their teams. JT has never had a rep half as his partner (Lam, Wing and Finch), he's never had a backrow of Fletcher, Fitzgibbon and Ricketson. He's had Bowen and the last two years AUSSIE front rowers... He played this year with 5 different regular hookers, 3 different regular halfbacks at club. Those reasons you can never compare their club history of Freddy in 2000's with Thurston.

Same for Origin. You say the QLD guys never played best NSW teams, well Freddy never played best QLD team either. It's irrelevant trying to compare them over totally different periods.

Facts are facts, what JT did on field whether it be with QLD, NQ or Australia THIS YEAR he is just as deserving as SBW. Which was the original response I made to you saying those two players were worlds apart this year.

One thing people forget to consider when making comparisons is other factors which affect the performance of a team and individual players. Imagine if Freddy had to play for NQ stuck in the middle of nowhere and every second weekend had to travel over 1000km just to get to a game? Imagine if JT played for a Sydney team where travel was not as rigorous? Some Sydney clubs and fans whinge about having to be on the road far too much. In fact this last season it was said that we were grounded chooks because we hardly had to take flight to get to a game unlike other teams. All non Sydney teams have to travel this much and perhaps distance wise, NQ has the worst of conditions of all. So if you want to compare purely on how many GF's JT has been in, let alone win one to rate him as a player, take into account the effort he has to put in every year to maintain his form. Perhaps he did himself a disservice by playing up there but that is his call. JT is a great player in a dud team. if he wasn't there, they'd be coming last time and time again.

[Guest]

One thing people forget to consider when making comparisons is other factors which affect the performance of a team and individual players. Imagine if Freddy had to play for NQ stuck in the middle of nowhere and every second weekend had to travel over 1000km just to get to a game? Imagine if JT played for a Sydney team where travel was not as rigorous? Some Sydney clubs and fans whinge about having to be on the road far too much. In fact this last season it was said that we were grounded chooks because we hardly had to take flight to get to a game unlike other teams. All non Sydney teams have to travel this much and perhaps distance wise, NQ has the worst of conditions of all. So if you want to compare purely on how many GF's JT has been in, let alone win one to rate him as a player, take into account the effort he has to put in every year to maintain his form. Perhaps he did himself a disservice by playing up there but that is his call. JT is a great player in a dud team. if he wasn't there, they'd be coming last time and time again.

I touched on some of this before mate. As I said I would have Freddy every day of the week, he is my all time favourite player by the length of the straight. But to effectively say JT is non deserving, as was the origin of my reply, is ridiculous. Then to say cowboys rosters better than ours (on paper) is way off mark too.

[ROC181]

I touched on some of this before mate. As I said I would have Freddy every day of the week, he is my all time favourite player by the length of the straight. But to effectively say JT is non deserving, as was the origin of my reply, is ridiculous. Then to say cowboys rosters better than ours (on paper) is way off mark too.

And I agree with you which is why I quoted you. JT is a very good player and the fact they have other good players in the team is because the club is able to draw them all the way up there on the basis of JT. When he retires you watch how competitive, not, they'll be, unless of course they manage to recruit someone as good as him.

[stsae]

bugger me dead some of those individual comparisons are nothing short of comical.
Especially saying Lui is better than pearce and would be a superstar if it was not for his off field behavior, its like saying I would be the greatest player in the history of the game, except I am too old, unfit and need to work on my skills.

Don't sell yourself short maaaaaaaaaate, I've been reliably informed your ball skills are the shizzle.

[stsae]

One thing people forget to consider when making comparisons is other factors which affect the performance of a team and individual players. Imagine if Freddy had to play for NQ stuck in the middle of nowhere and every second weekend had to travel over 1000km just to get to a game? Imagine if JT played for a Sydney team where travel was not as rigorous? Some Sydney clubs and fans whinge about having to be on the road far too much. In fact this last season it was said that we were grounded chooks because we hardly had to take flight to get to a game unlike other teams. All non Sydney teams have to travel this much and perhaps distance wise, NQ has the worst of conditions of all. So if you want to compare purely on how many GF's JT has been in, let alone win one to rate him as a player, take into account the effort he has to put in every year to maintain his form. Perhaps he did himself a disservice by playing up there but that is his call. JT is a great player in a dud team. if he wasn't there, they'd be coming last time and time again.

JT chooses to play for the cowgirls. It's not like anyone's twisting his arm.

The Wankos and Melba have had to travel similar paths and distances and have never used it as an excuse for playing poorly.

JT is a top liner no doubt. IMO often his skills are overrated. The way I see him is as a tough proud individual and an instinctive footballer. But it's hard work that's forged his reputation not amazing skill as such. He never gives up and never stops trying to get the result.

It works so well for QLD cos he has a team full of players with the same attitude.

But at club level you see him at times and he's on his own, not many of his teammates respond to his instinctive play.

IMO it's not about travel for NQ. It's not about JT either. There has always been excuses at play at that club. Until they address that attitude they will always be also rans.

They need a Waynekerr. Someone to teach them how to win.

[stsae]

FWIW on paper te Cowboys are potentially better than us. They have at least a 'big 3', including the likes of - JT, Bowen, Scott, Tamou, Sims x 2, Lui, Tate...

Todd Carney took the Roosters to a GF with a significantly inferior outfit. Credit where due really, IMO besides being part of 2 invincible teams, JT has severely under-performed at club level.

---

Tate > Jennings (apparently)
Scott > Cords
Bowen > Mini
Tamou > Moa/JWH
JT > Maloney
Lui > Pearce (people hate Pearce and think he's over-rated massively... Lui would be huge if he didn't have off-field issues).
Linnett > SKD
Sims > Guerra

On paper JT has the boys. Only premiership he has won is as a junior on the bench of a cheating Bulldogs outfit.

Slot Carney/DCE/Maloney/Soward...etc into the world cup or QLD squad and they'd still win.

Not saying I don't rate JT but you get 'player of the year' status on performance, not reputation. I think JT could have done a lot better at club level (and FWIW didn't dominate NSW out of Origin. We lost by 2 points... 2 points is nothing and does not show that JT is the master given he had a much better roster, no Duges/Fergo off-field BS and no injuries that compare with that of Gallen being out).

Jism maaaaaaaaaaaaaaate, did you drink straight thru again???

That's whack man, even for you.