'Refs should get tougher with Roosters' - ABC Commentator

[The Rooster Oracle]

If Bennett said this he is even more of a dickhead than I realised.

Big advantage, setting your defensive line back on your own 20 having to make another 6 tackles after your opponents have received a piggy back out of their quarter on the 4th tackle. Big advantage.

We've seen this "advantage" hundreds of times this year.

Exactly what I was thinking player 1!

Oh yeah wayne ker bennett, we deliberately love to give our opposition in every game constant piggy back penalties out of their half (which is most of the penalties given against us!!), it is all part of our dastardly evil master plan to win the comp with, as it works sooooooooooooooooooo well with being such a huge advantage for us giving away all that free territory and extra possession!! It just makes so much sense for us to deliberately do this that I just can't work out for the life of me why every other team in the comp hasn't caught on to using the same brilliant tactic!

[player 1]

He did say it, and hes talking about the penalties given away when a team is under the pump on their own line. The penalties that we give a lot of the time, and the storm gave away yesterday.

Not the piggy backs you claim Souths received on Friday night.

LOL @ the bold type.

[Cockadoodledoo]

The dribbler even put it to print..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-1...?section=sport

Are the Roosters reaping the benefits of their poor discipline?

When we think of sides that concede lots of penalties, most assume that they will be the struggling teams at the foot of the ladder. Most weeks those sides end up doing far more defending and they get tired.

Tired and frustrated players give away penalties. So it is no surprise to see both Parramatta and the Wests Tigers in the top four sides for penalties conceded in 2013.

But those sides are only the third and fourth worst offenders.This year the ladder leading Sydney Roosters are the side that concedes the most penalties by far.

After round 22 the Roosters had conceded 165 penalties - 17 more than the next on the list, the Manly Sea Eagles.

So far the majority of sides have only two or three players that have personally conceded over 10 penalties in 2013. However, the Roosters have seven regular offenders and Manly has eight.

The Roosters boast the least line breaks and tries conceded this season. Their defence is a major cornerstone of their success.

The Sea Eagle's defensive stats are almost as impressive, but the question must be asked: is it possible that their defensive successes are actually due in part - if not substantially - to their high penalty counts?

Roosters coach Trent Robinson said recently he was concerned about his side's high penalty count and that he intended to discuss it with referees boss Daniel Anderson.

Given his sides results it is hard to understand why Trent would be concerned. Anderson would probably tell Trent that the stats point out:

His side frequently is seen to hold down the tackled player;
His team is seen often to interfere with the play the ball; and
His players are frequently seen to be offside.

In short, it could be argued that the Roosters play a brand of football that consistently tries to slow down their opponents' attack.

James Maloney is the NRL's worst offender with 21 penalties conceded personally. In the round 20 game versus the Knights, the Roosters conceded 14 penalties and Maloney personally conceded four of them.

It was only after two late tries to the Roosters that they sealed that game. It may well have been a different result if the bin had been used.

Give the Knights those two competition points and they are in fifth spot.

The Roosters concede a massive average of 8.25 penalties a game - nearly two penalties a game more than the NRL average. In 11 of their 16 wins they have lost the penalty count.

In fact, Sydney has only won three penalty counts in 2013. Fourteen times in 2013 the Roosters conceded eight or more penalties in a match. They lose the penalty count on average by almost 2.5 penalties a game.

The stats show that Manly is not far behind the Roosters in all of these regards. You just need to look at the NRL ladder to see that there is no big downside for either team in conceding so many penalties.

Out of the top 20 most penalised players in 2013, eight of them - come from the Roosters and Manly.

In spite of these two teams appalling rate of penalties conceded, neither has had a player sin binned in 2013.

The other sides in the top four - Melbourne and the Rabbitohs - score almost as many points as The Roosters. But both give away far fewer penalties and concede a fair few more points. A coincidence?

The Storm in fact concede the second fewest penalties in the NRL after the Sharks. What reward - apart from a lower ladder position - do the Storm and the Sharks get for having such good discipline?

More importantly, what punishment do the Roosters and the Sea Eagles get for having such terrible discipline? It is fairly clear that penalties conceded alone are not a disincentive.

Daniel Anderson must instruct his refs to use the sin bin for repeat infringers. Any player who concedes three penalties in a match should go to the sideline for 10 minutes.

The refs should have even less tolerance for known regular offenders who should go to the bin after conceding two penalties.

Furthermore, game suspensions for players could be put in place when players pass milestones of personal penalties conceded throughout the season. This is the same system that punishes regularly carded players in the English Premier League quite effectively.

These measures would surely open up the game as a spectacle and ensure that the NRL was seen to be clearly of the view that crime shouldn't pay.

[Guest]

<snip other shite>Any player who concedes three penalties in a match should go to the sideline for 10 minutes.

The refs should have even less tolerance for known regular offenders who should go to the bin after conceding two penalties.
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Aside from the rest of the dribble That will do me... 2 different sets of rules depending on the player.

[milanja]

The dribbler even put it to print..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-1...?section=sport

Are the Roosters reaping the benefits of their poor discipline?

When we think of sides that concede lots of penalties, most assume that they will be the struggling teams at the foot of the ladder. Most weeks those sides end up doing far more defending and they get tired.

Tired and frustrated players give away penalties. So it is no surprise to see both Parramatta and the Wests Tigers in the top four sides for penalties conceded in 2013.

But those sides are only the third and fourth worst offenders.This year the ladder leading Sydney Roosters are the side that concedes the most penalties by far.

After round 22 the Roosters had conceded 165 penalties - 17 more than the next on the list, the Manly Sea Eagles.

So far the majority of sides have only two or three players that have personally conceded over 10 penalties in 2013. However, the Roosters have seven regular offenders and Manly has eight.

The Roosters boast the least line breaks and tries conceded this season. Their defence is a major cornerstone of their success.

The Sea Eagle's defensive stats are almost as impressive, but the question must be asked: is it possible that their defensive successes are actually due in part - if not substantially - to their high penalty counts?

Roosters coach Trent Robinson said recently he was concerned about his side's high penalty count and that he intended to discuss it with referees boss Daniel Anderson.

Given his sides results it is hard to understand why Trent would be concerned. Anderson would probably tell Trent that the stats point out:

His side frequently is seen to hold down the tackled player;
His team is seen often to interfere with the play the ball; and
His players are frequently seen to be offside.

In short, it could be argued that the Roosters play a brand of football that consistently tries to slow down their opponents' attack.

James Maloney is the NRL's worst offender with 21 penalties conceded personally. In the round 20 game versus the Knights, the Roosters conceded 14 penalties and Maloney personally conceded four of them.

It was only after two late tries to the Roosters that they sealed that game. It may well have been a different result if the bin had been used.

Give the Knights those two competition points and they are in fifth spot.

The Roosters concede a massive average of 8.25 penalties a game - nearly two penalties a game more than the NRL average. In 11 of their 16 wins they have lost the penalty count.

In fact, Sydney has only won three penalty counts in 2013. Fourteen times in 2013 the Roosters conceded eight or more penalties in a match. They lose the penalty count on average by almost 2.5 penalties a game.

The stats show that Manly is not far behind the Roosters in all of these regards. You just need to look at the NRL ladder to see that there is no big downside for either team in conceding so many penalties.

Out of the top 20 most penalised players in 2013, eight of them - come from the Roosters and Manly.

In spite of these two teams appalling rate of penalties conceded, neither has had a player sin binned in 2013.

The other sides in the top four - Melbourne and the Rabbitohs - score almost as many points as The Roosters. But both give away far fewer penalties and concede a fair few more points. A coincidence?

The Storm in fact concede the second fewest penalties in the NRL after the Sharks. What reward - apart from a lower ladder position - do the Storm and the Sharks get for having such good discipline?

More importantly, what punishment do the Roosters and the Sea Eagles get for having such terrible discipline? It is fairly clear that penalties conceded alone are not a disincentive.

Daniel Anderson must instruct his refs to use the sin bin for repeat infringers. Any player who concedes three penalties in a match should go to the sideline for 10 minutes.

The refs should have even less tolerance for known regular offenders who should go to the bin after conceding two penalties.

Furthermore, game suspensions for players could be put in place when players pass milestones of personal penalties conceded throughout the season. This is the same system that punishes regularly carded players in the English Premier League quite effectively.

These measures would surely open up the game as a spectacle and ensure that the NRL was seen to be clearly of the view that crime shouldn't pay.

Maybe the nrl should tell the refs to stop penalising us to see if it makes a difference.

[Guest]

Look out if it is a close game tonight we will have someone in the bin

[Parkway_Drive]

Maybe the nrl should tell the refs to stop penalising us to see if it makes a difference.

Here's a thought for the refs.or..maybe they could start to penalise the other team!!!.....that then should help our opponents.

[player 1]

Here's a thought for the refs.or..maybe they could start to penalise the other team!!!.....that then should help our opponents.

Very good point.

I will go on the record to say this Tim Gore fellow, apart from being obviously more than a little mentally retarded, has obviously got a chip on his shoulder about our success, which has been achieved very much in spite of, rather than as a result of, the penalty carve ups we have endured. How blinded by malice and stupidity would you have to be to come up with the idea that your opponents being continually being piggybacked into our end zone is helping us?

And yet Timmy has reached this conclusion. It gives me no solace to know that my taxes are helping ABC to pay Timmy to print his wanking fantasies. Next time just go to the bathroom in private Timmy.

[Vasco]

We got hammered in the penalty count again.

[The Rooster Oracle]

Very good point.

I will go on the record to say this Tim Gore fellow, apart from being obviously more than a little mentally retarded, has obviously got a chip on his shoulder about our success, which has been achieved very much in spite of, rather than as a result of, the penalty carve ups we have endured. How blinded by malice and stupidity would you have to be to come up with the idea that your opponents being continually being piggybacked into our end zone is helping us?

And yet Timmy has reached this conclusion. It gives me no solace to know that my taxes are helping ABC to pay Timmy to print his wanking fantasies. Next time just go to the bathroom in private Timmy.

Lol, good post P1. Yes little mentally challenged timmy should just stick to pleasuring himself in the bathroom while thinking of past $ouff$ glory days from a very very long time ago!

[Guest]

Same old story

It's the same old story. The Roosters are doing well - therefore they must be cheating. As far as why they are penalised so much, Bryan Fletcher put it best a few weeks ago on Matty Johns Live: "Because they're the Roosters".

[bondi paul]

It's the same old story. The Roosters are doing well - therefore they must be cheating. As far as why they are penalised so much, Bryan Fletcher put it best a few weeks ago on Matty Johns Live: "Because they're the Roosters".

Fletch is priceless - seems a theme on penalties whilst weeks ago the imbeciles on 9 were saying and inadvertently bagging us and Pearce about for no repeat sets yet I overhead Alexander saying its not our tactic due to most often us scoring when in the 30 metre zone as for Rimm Gore Tallis Johns and Warren they can all get stuffed.