Guerra in the Centres? How bad is Oldfield going?

[roosterproud]

olfield is 7 tries in 11 games. he has missed 2 games for the jets , one was and early call up to the roosters and recently an injury.
I can see if skids doesn't improve dramatically , and we are at full strength around the mandy game he will more than likely be dropped and olfield or even roko will get a run

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Guerra wears cement boots these days...Robbo wouldn't be that crazy.

[Thirteen]

Guerra has been struggling in the position he actually plays this year. He has had very little impact.
But I guess we have to have faith in Robbo.

[Guest]

Does anybody Know how Oldfield is playing?
If he was going to get a match, it was this one.

Oldfield will be warming up up with first grade on Friday nite with a few others, the only one will be playing is Napa.

[The Rooster Oracle]

Guerra won't play centre, Aubbo will left centre with SBW at five eighth. Oldfield is very limited and could only be considered as a winger in the NRL, and we have two good ones.

Your right Newman, Oldfield is very limited and should only be considered as a winger in our 1st grade side. I watched Newtown play on Sunday and thought that Oldfield went alright at center, but I expected him to stand out more. I was a lot more impressed with Rokolati, he really stood out and had a great game!

Kane Evans was outstanding!! He can not do anymore to earn a 1st grade spot. He was always a handful to stop, got away a few good offloads and scored a good try from a nice inside ball from Jacks. What I really liked about Evans try was that he did a hit up, then there was one more play before he then backed up and ran hard to get the ball again to score, which was a great second effort from a big fella in the same set. He has the ability to act as a prop as well as a wide running backrower. He also possesses great skills with the ability to throw a nice long pass. There has been talk about his defense on here as the reason he has not been given a go yet in 1st grade, but I saw no such issue. When I had a brief chat to him after the game about the Roosters, he went from being in a good mood because of the good win to being apprehensive and not wanting to talk about it, definitely a sore point with him which I can understand his frustrations. Imo I would have Evans on the bench instead of Guerra, as Evans can play in tight or out wider.

I was disappointed that Seluini was given limited game time. When he was on he did his usual damaging runs from dummy half.

Jacks did some nice things with setting up a try and scoring another. His kicking game can be bloody ordinary at times, just like Pearce he has trouble weighting his kicks with many going dead. In the first half the Jets totally dominated field position and possession thanks to the forwards with Evans and Tasi really leading the way and they led 26 - 0 at halftime but easily could have put on another 2 or 3 tries but wasted good opportunities. I would loved Jacks to have set up some nice balls to Houma close to the line, but that never happened. In the second half there were plenty of mistakes, very sloppy at times!

I was disappointed with Houma, he did a few very damaging runs but would then lose possession of the ball at the end of it, this happened a few times unfortunately. He would have to have the biggest legs of any footballer, legs like tree trunks! After his runs I would look at the players who tried tackling him and the ones who did end up tackling him I could tell that it hurt them and it would take them a little while to recover from it. It was such a shame that he would end up losing control of the ball at the end of a few great hit ups as the Jets would have had a few very good opportunities to attack straight after with a few Wyong players out of the defensive line.

I was disappointed with Wells, he had an ordinary game with making a few mistakes, one being dropping a bomb. Offered very little in attack, not threatening at all.

Thank goodness Ben Jones didn't end up playing, with Henry slotting in at 5/8th. Henry offered very little in attack but at least didn't make the usual 6, 7 or more costly mistakes that Jones always does. The Jets desperately need support for Jacks in the halves.

Was surprised with how well Buddy Gordon went. Had a few nice runs and made one good break, although he certainly is not the quickest.

[Guest]

Your right Newman, Oldfield is very limited and should only be considered as a winger in our 1st grade side. I watched Newtown play on Sunday and thought that Oldfield went alright at center, but I expected him to stand out more. I was a lot more impressed with Rokolati, he really stood out and had a great game!

Kane Evans was outstanding!! He can not do anymore to earn a 1st grade spot. He was always a handful to stop, got away a few good offloads and scored a good try from a nice inside ball from Jacks. What I really liked about Evans try was that he did a hit up, then there was one more play before he then backed up and ran hard to get the ball again to score, which was a great second effort from a big fella in the same set. He has the ability to act as a prop as well as a wide running backrower. He also possesses great skills with the ability to throw a nice long pass. There has been talk about his defense on here as the reason he has not been given a go yet in 1st grade, but I saw no such issue. When I had a brief chat to him after the game about the Roosters, he went from being in a good mood because of the good win to being apprehensive and not wanting to talk about it, definitely a sore point with him which I can understand his frustrations. Imo I would have Evans on the bench instead of Guerra, as Evans can play in tight or out wider.

I was disappointed that Seluini was given limited game time. When he was on he did his usual damaging runs from dummy half.

Jacks did some nice things with setting up a try and scoring another. His kicking game can be bloody ordinary at times, just like Pearce he has trouble weighting his kicks with many going dead. In the first half the Jets totally dominated field position and possession thanks to the forwards with Evans and Tasi really leading the way and they led 26 - 0 at halftime but easily could have put on another 2 or 3 tries but wasted good opportunities. I would loved Jacks to have set up some nice balls to Houma close to the line, but that never happened. In the second half there were plenty of mistakes, very sloppy at times!

I was disappointed with Houma, he did a few very damaging runs but would then lose possession of the ball at the end of it, this happened a few times unfortunately. He would have to have the biggest legs of any footballer, legs like tree trunks! After his runs I would look at the players who tried tackling him and the ones who did end up tackling him I could tell that it hurt them and it would take them a little while to recover from it. It was such a shame that he would end up losing control of the ball at the end of a few great hit ups as the Jets would have had a few very good opportunities to attack straight after with a few Wyong players out of the defensive line.

I was disappointed with Wells, he had an ordinary game with making a few mistakes, one being dropping a bomb. Offered very little in attack, not threatening at all.

Thank goodness Ben Jones didn't end up playing, with Henry slotting in at 5/8th. Henry offered very little in attack but at least didn't make the usual 6, 7 or more costly mistakes that Jones always does. The Jets desperately need support for Jacks in the halves.

Was surprised with how well Buddy Gordon went. Had a few nice runs and made one good break, although he certainly is not the quickest.

I think you'll find that Kane Evans is just another NRL player who is a victim of the inadequate second tier salary cap and that is why he hasn't had a run this year. The club would have had to ask for permission from the NRL to play Napa this week as well and it would have only been granted on the basis that FPN was picked at lock and JWH and Tasi were unavailable. I don't think Kane could ever play second row in the NRL as his lateral movement in defence would be found out badly. Even at Newtown where they have really struggled for wide forwards after we released Takarangi, Symonds and Cherrington, and switched Bosden to lock, they have used regular tight forwards like Ailaomai, Napa and Arona at various times rather than Evans. I know Evans played second row in the Under 18's back in 2010 but he even struggled at that level in defence on the edges.

[The Rooster Oracle]

I think you'll find that Kane Evans is just another NRL player who is a victim of the inadequate second tier salary cap and that is why he hasn't had a run this year. The club would have had to ask for permission from the NRL to play Napa this week as well and it would have only been granted on the basis that FPN was picked at lock and JWH and Tasi were unavailable. I don't think Kane could ever play second row in the NRL as his lateral movement in defence would be found out badly. Even at Newtown where they have really struggled for wide forwards after we released Takarangi, Symonds and Cherrington, and switched Bosden to lock, they have used regular tight forwards like Ailaomai, Napa and Arona at various times rather than Evans. I know Evans played second row in the Under 18's back in 2010 but he even struggled at that level in defence on the edges.

Imo if SKD doesn't improve before June 30 we should cut him, which would then free up the cap space for players like Evans and Napa to be allowed to play 1st grade. When it comes to Evans defending in the line, have him defend in the middle, and if need be in attack he can be used as a wide running backrower. I can see our first grade side benefiting more with Evans in there instead of Guerra who we haven't been getting much value out of him. We really can do with Evans size up against big opposition packs such as against the bull$cum this Friday night which would have been nice! If SKD is cut then we can use Maubs in his place which will greatly improve our defense out wide and it frees up a spot for Evans to come in and keep Guerra if need be, or give Napa a go and add even more size to the side.

[The Rooster Oracle]

The other thing I forgot to mention is that what is the point of having Morts on the bench if he is only going to be given just 7 minutes game time. Either give Morts at least 25 - 30 minutes or don't have him in the side at all and have another forward on the bench. A complete waste of a bench player when given just 7 measly bloody minutes!

[Guest]

Imo if SKD doesn't improve before June 30 we should cut him, which would then free up the cap space for players like Evans and Napa to be allowed to play 1st grade. When it comes to Evans defending in the line, have him defend in the middle, and if need be in attack he can be used as a wide running backrower. I can see our first grade side benefiting more with Evans in there instead of Guerra who we haven't been getting much value out of him. We really can do with Evans size up against big opposition packs such as against the bull$cum this Friday night which would have been nice! If SKD is cut then we can use Maubs in his place which will greatly improve our defense out wide and it frees up a spot for Evans to come in and keep Guerra if need be, or give Napa a go and add even more size to the side.

I'm no fan of Guerra - he rarely passes the ball, which is a major problem for a second rower, plus he misses too many tackles, has a high error rate based on minutes played and also gives away too many penalties. SKD is contracted till end of next year. If you cut him you still have to pay him so that gives you no salary cap relief. Further, you can't just cut a player without grounds for dismissal (and poor form isn't grounds). The only way to get salary cap relief would be for another club to take up his contract or part thereof and for those payments that we contribute to be less than then the salary of our 25th highest player, but those payments would then go the second tier cap which is the problem in the first place. I'm afraid your proposal would only work if another club was to pay his entire salary for the remainder of this year, and of course negotiate a suitable arrangement for his 2014 contract which is rumoured to be around 450k, as his four year contract was back ended. It certainly won't happen this year.

[G-Unit Guerra]

I'm no fan of Guerra - he rarely passes the ball, which is a major problem for a second rower, plus he misses too many tackles, has a high error rate based on minutes played and also gives away too many penalties. SKD is contracted till end of next year. If you cut him you still have to pay him so that gives you no salary cap relief. Further, you can't just cut a player without grounds for dismissal (and poor form isn't grounds). The only way to get salary cap relief would be for another club to take up his contract or part thereof and for those payments that we contribute to be less than then the salary of our 25th highest player, but those payments would then go the second tier cap which is the problem in the first place. I'm afraid your proposal would only work if another club was to pay his entire salary for the remainder of this year, and of course negotiate a suitable arrangement for his 2014 contract which is rumoured to be around 450k, as his four year contract was back ended. It certainly won't happen this year.

Well I was under the impression a second rower's job was to hit it up and tackle. My mistake Newman. Second rower's all around the NRL are now mulling over their "major problem" of not passing the ball enough.

Also, Guerra is playing as a tight lock ATM so even less passing.

[Guest]

Well I was under the impression a second rower's job was to hit it up and tackle. My mistake Newman. Second rower's all around the NRL are now mulling over their "major problem" of not passing the ball enough.

Also, Guerra is playing as a tight lock ATM so even less passing.

Actually the modern day second rower is like an old fashioned inside centre so he need to pass the ball. In attack they play inside the centre. Yes, he has played generally in the middle this year due to injuries and suspension plus Aubbo and SBW have grabbed the two second row spots but he is a second rower and lacks the most basic attacking skill required of a second rower.

[Guest]

I'm no fan of Guerra - he rarely passes the ball, which is a major problem for a second rower, plus he misses too many tackles, has a high error rate based on minutes played and also gives away too many penalties. SKD is contracted till end of next year. If you cut him you still have to pay him so that gives you no salary cap relief. Further, you can't just cut a player without grounds for dismissal (and poor form isn't grounds). The only way to get salary cap relief would be for another club to take up his contract or part thereof and for those payments that we contribute to be less than then the salary of our 25th highest player, but those payments would then go the second tier cap which is the problem in the first place. I'm afraid your proposal would only work if another club was to pay his entire salary for the remainder of this year, and of course negotiate a suitable arrangement for his 2014 contract which is rumoured to be around 450k, as his four year contract was back ended. It certainly won't happen this year.

Well I was under the impression a second rower's job was to hit it up and tackle. My mistake Newman. Second rower's all around the NRL are now mulling over their "major problem" of not passing the ball enough.

Also, Guerra is playing as a tight lock ATM so even less passing.

Thanks for your insight, Aiden....

[Johnny.]

The other thing I forgot to mention is that what is the point of having Morts on the bench if he is only going to be given just 7 minutes game time. Either give Morts at least 25 - 30 minutes or don't have him in the side at all and have another forward on the bench. A complete waste of a bench player when given just 7 measly bloody minutes!

[Rooster_6]

Actually the modern day second rower is like an old fashioned inside centre so he need to pass the ball. In attack they play inside the centre. Yes, he has played generally in the middle this year due to injuries and suspension plus Aubbo and SBW have grabbed the two second row spots but he is a second rower and lacks the most basic attacking skill required of a second rower.

Couldn't agree more, the requirements of the modern day second rower has changed massively, they're basically inside centres like you said. If they don't have passing games they're essentially clogging up backline movements and killing off chances for their outside men.

I think it was evident on Sunday when SBW was playing a roving role in attack just how poor our attack became down the right hand fringe with a second rower and fullback who have no ball playing skills.

[The Rooster Oracle]

I'm no fan of Guerra - he rarely passes the ball, which is a major problem for a second rower, plus he misses too many tackles, has a high error rate based on minutes played and also gives away too many penalties. SKD is contracted till end of next year. If you cut him you still have to pay him so that gives you no salary cap relief. Further, you can't just cut a player without grounds for dismissal (and poor form isn't grounds). The only way to get salary cap relief would be for another club to take up his contract or part thereof and for those payments that we contribute to be less than then the salary of our 25th highest player, but those payments would then go the second tier cap which is the problem in the first place. I'm afraid your proposal would only work if another club was to pay his entire salary for the remainder of this year, and of course negotiate a suitable arrangement for his 2014 contract which is rumoured to be around 450k, as his four year contract was back ended. It certainly won't happen this year.

When it comes to getting rid of SKD this year before June 30 I realize is more wishful thinking. It would be brilliant if the cronulla catfish would pay out half his contract this year and half of next year, that would help us out big time and so they should do us a favor after we basically gave them Carney.

Also I agree with you and Rooster_6 about how nice it would be if Guerra could learn to pass the ball, it could come in quite handy!