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    Hey guys, I've just got back to aus yesterday and I managed to watch the first 3 games yesterday. All I can say is we are very lucky that we signed the "big three" in the offseason.

    Positives from first 3 rounds:

    Defence

    We are a completely different team from last year in this department. The loss to lol@souffs was a low point, but apart from that we have been solid in defence. SBW is doing overtime in this area. That last game against the gronkos, he made a huge amount of very important tackles which normally would have lead to second phase play last year. We were found wanting against LOL@souffs on the skd side of the park and RTS left his man on a few ocassions but I'll get to that later.

    Structured play

    We're finally starting to play to a certain structure both in attack and defence. Robbo and JT deserve a lot of praise in that area. In defence we are sliding across the park much better than last year and this was seen against the warriors and broncos when we shut down a lot of their backline movements.

    Key signings

    Maloney has been sensational especially against the Broncos where imo, he won us the game on his own.

    Sbw had a quite start in round 1 but he has been getting better and better as time has gone on. I think he is one of those player's who can win games on his own. And that offload to jennings in the warriors game was a freakish reminder of why we moved earth to signed him.

    Jennings has been playing every game like he is in origin. Why the riff released him is beyond me . Maybe Gus owed uncle nick a favour or gus has finally lost his last marble in that big head of his. Once the passes start sticking and he finds some space that left edge will be unstoppable.

    The good players getting better

    JWH and Cordner are two of my favourite players from last year and they just keep hitting the line with more intensity every hitup. The future cornerstones of our pack for sure, and two very nice young men both on and off the field.

    Negatives:

    I seriously don't want to sound like coggy by mentioning these. We have played well this season but some of these negatives are frightening especially when you consider that they're in the spine of our team.

    FB

    This has been hacked to death on this forum even before I left to go overseas a month back, but whether you look at this game statistically or subjectively, Mini is past it as a fullback. I know that many of you consider him a easts legend like I do and that many of you will throw the he's played origin card, but we cannot win a premiership with him at fb full stop. If that's not enough, he may very well destroy a young man's confidence and career by hogging his deserved spot and leaving him to get cold on the wing.

    For all those who believe that mini is our ideal fb, a few questions,

    When was the last time he was involved in a backline play and set up a try for a outside back by being a ball player?

    When was the last time he broke the line on a kick return?

    When was the last time he put in a grubber or attacking kick in the opp. 20 which lead to something?

    He has no ability as a ball player and the game has passed him by. While he was injured the role of FB has changed and he has not adapted. RTS has been a phenomenal ball player in the 20's. He gets involved in backline set plays and set ups trys. He also breaks the line on kick returns and has an x-factor with his side stepping(like a young benji Marshall). I'm not attacking mini as a player, because I still think that he has something to offer our team. The sad thing is that he'd probably make an awesome winger. That try against the warrriors is evidence of this but as a fullback he is finished. Yes he is good under the highball but against the vermin rts showed he can be put under the high ball and take some screamers.

    Pearcey and friend:

    I'm not going to go on about Pearce but I think that he needs to take a serious look at his kicking game if he is going to dominate other halves. Against the broncos last week wallace looked the dominate of the two half backs and he was in a losing side.

    Friend has been good in some patches but when Morts plays from dummy half we look alot more likely and the speed of the game increases. I've always rated morts and I'm really happy that he's finally getting given a go to prove himself. A very nice young man.

    Tupou

    The last thing we need is another young SKD fumbler. After having a great season last year, his ball security this season has been woeful. He's also not timing his jumps very well. If he keeps strolling off the path, the I think Oldfield/Henry may slot in for him. A shame really, he was one of my favourites last year.
    Last edited by davos; 03-31-2013, 08:50 AM.
    Comment of the year:

    Andrew Johns, Semi-Final vs North Queensland ,

    "It's touched Lui's hand and travelled forward but that's not a knock on"

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    Best thing in first 3 rounds is that SBW keeps getting better and he is playing 80 minutes....and, of course......Michael Jennings!
    Worse thing.....SKDs constant missed tackles. He is a huge target for opposition teams. He is too scared to put his body on the line like his teammates do. If he is making inroads in attack than his defensive inadequacy can be slightly overlooked. But he has not looked dangerous in attack in the first 3 rounds.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Thirteen View Post
      Best thing in first 3 rounds is that SBW keeps getting better and he is playing 80 minutes....and, of course......Michael Jennings!
      Worse thing.....SKDs constant missed tackles. He is a huge target for opposition teams. He is too scared to put his body on the line like his teammates do. If he is making inroads in attack than his defensive inadequacy can be slightly overlooked. But he has not looked dangerous in attack in the first 3 rounds.
      Yeah I forgot to mention that. He actually looked like he had improved in the next 2 games but his worst effort was against souffs. In one attempt, Inglis had surrendered and was lying still on the floor and SKD tried to tackle him twice and both times he slipped off him.

      I don't know why he can't tackle. I've met him in real life and he's actually a big bloke. He must rub Vaseline on his arms before he goes out to play.
      Comment of the year:

      Andrew Johns, Semi-Final vs North Queensland ,

      "It's touched Lui's hand and travelled forward but that's not a knock on"

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      • #4
        No mention of penalties and errors in the negatives column.

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        • #5
          Regarding Toupou

          Oldfield has not impressed, so we will have to wait for Moga.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by "gaz" View Post
            Regarding Toupou

            Oldfield has not impressed, so we will have to wait for Moga.
            i have to ask. Why was he brought here?
            The guy has raw speed. Great.
            Do they see something that the rest of us aren't seeing?

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            • #7
              im positive there are negatives
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              • #8
                Positives

                - Our ball control has been better this year, still could be a lot better but it's clear there's a strong emphasis on improving this.
                - Our go forward through the middle has been a lot better, all our props have been making much better metres.
                - We're actually looking to play field position before playing with width.
                - Maloney has clicked well with the team.
                - SBW is already playing at a far more advanced stage than anyone could have realistically hoped.
                - Defence is a lot better, no one's rushing out of the line, our spacing is spot on and the scramble defence shows a great attitude.


                Negatives

                - Still way too many penalties
                - Attack hasn't clicked fully yet, although that was always going to be a problem with so many new combinations
                - We've struggled to wrestle back momentum at stages throughout our first 3 games
                - Our right side defence, it's definitely something teams have been targeting. Still far too many poor reads.
                - Our go forward could still be better, we're still yet to dominate another teams forward pack.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by davos View Post
                  Yeah I forgot to mention that. He actually looked like he had improved in the next 2 games but his worst effort was against souffs. In one attempt, Inglis had surrendered and was lying still on the floor and SKD tried to tackle him twice and both times he slipped off him.

                  I don't know why he can't tackle. I've met him in real life and he's actually a big bloke. He must rub Vaseline on his arms before he goes out to play.
                  He always gives me a hug when he sees me. I'd better chuck on a Souths jersey and teach him what's what...or maybe not...people might see me...
                  "Those who care about you can hear you, even when you are quiet" - Steve Maraboli

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by redwhiteblue View Post
                    He always gives me a hug when he sees me. I'd better chuck on a Souths jersey and teach him what's what...or maybe not...people might see me...
                    yuk!!!!! Even if Miranda Kerr wore one of these she would look like a drag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    Didn't rusty's wife leave him because she was sick of wearing that crap????
                    Comment of the year:

                    Andrew Johns, Semi-Final vs North Queensland ,

                    "It's touched Lui's hand and travelled forward but that's not a knock on"

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                    • #11
                      1. Oldfield will impress in first grade.
                      2. Defence is a lot better then last year.
                      3. All last years flaws, still very apparent, you all know what they are
                      4. Team selections are not being done on merit, same as last year, which worries the f__k out of me.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Burnt Rooster:290674
                        1. Oldfield will impress in first grade.
                        2. Defence is a lot better then last year.
                        3. All last years flaws, still very apparent, you all know what they are
                        4. Team selections are not being done on merit, same as last year, which worries the f__k out of me.
                        5. What a strange post.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by davos View Post
                          Hey guys, I've just got back to aus yesterday and I managed to watch the first 3 games yesterday. All I can say is we are very lucky that we signed the "big three" in the offseason.

                          Positives from first 3 rounds:

                          Defence

                          We are a completely different team from last year in this department. The loss to lol@souffs was a low point, but apart from that we have been solid in defence. SBW is doing overtime in this area. That last game against the gronkos, he made a huge amount of very important tackles which normally would have lead to second phase play last year. We were found wanting against LOL@souffs on the skd side of the park and RTS left his man on a few ocassions but I'll get to that later.

                          Structured play

                          We're finally starting to play to a certain structure both in attack and defence. Robbo and JT deserve a lot of praise in that area. In defence we are sliding across the park much better than last year and this was seen against the warriors and broncos when we shut down a lot of their backline movements.

                          Key signings

                          Maloney has been sensational especially against the Broncos where imo, he won us the game on his own.

                          Sbw had a quite start in round 1 but he has been getting better and better as time has gone on. I think he is one of those player's who can win games on his own. And that offload to jennings in the warriors game was a freakish reminder of why we moved earth to signed him.

                          Jennings has been playing every game like he is in origin. Why the riff released him is beyond me . Maybe Gus owed uncle nick a favour or gus has finally lost his last marble in that big head of his. Once the passes start sticking and he finds some space that left edge will be unstoppable.

                          The good players getting better

                          JWH and Cordner are two of my favourite players from last year and they just keep hitting the line with more intensity every hitup. The future cornerstones of our pack for sure, and two very nice young men both on and off the field.

                          Negatives:

                          I seriously don't want to sound like coggy by mentioning these. We have played well this season but some of these negatives are frightening especially when you consider that they're in the spine of our team.

                          FB

                          This has been hacked to death on this forum even before I left to go overseas a month back, but whether you look at this game statistically or subjectively, Mini is past it as a fullback. I know that many of you consider him a easts legend like I do and that many of you will throw the he's played origin card, but we cannot win a premiership with him at fb full stop. If that's not enough, he may very well destroy a young man's confidence and career by hogging his deserved spot and leaving him to get cold on the wing.

                          For all those who believe that mini is our ideal fb, a few questions,

                          When was the last time he was involved in a backline play and set up a try for a outside back by being a ball player?

                          When was the last time he broke the line on a kick return?

                          When was the last time he put in a grubber or attacking kick in the opp. 20 which lead to something?

                          He has no ability as a ball player and the game has passed him by. While he was injured the role of FB has changed and he has not adapted. RTS has been a phenomenal ball player in the 20's. He gets involved in backline set plays and set ups trys. He also breaks the line on kick returns and has an x-factor with his side stepping(like a young benji Marshall). I'm not attacking mini as a player, because I still think that he has something to offer our team. The sad thing is that he'd probably make an awesome winger. That try against the warrriors is evidence of this but as a fullback he is finished. Yes he is good under the highball but against the vermin rts showed he can be put under the high ball and take some screamers.

                          Pearcey and friend:

                          I'm not going to go on about Pearce but I think that he needs to take a serious look at his kicking game if he is going to dominate other halves. Against the broncos last week wallace looked the dominate of the two half backs and he was in a losing side.

                          Friend has been good in some patches but when Morts plays from dummy half we look alot more likely and the speed of the game increases. I've always rated morts and I'm really happy that he's finally getting given a go to prove himself. A very nice young man.

                          Tupou

                          The last thing we need is another young SKD fumbler. After having a great season last year, his ball security this season has been woeful. He's also not timing his jumps very well. If he keeps strolling off the path, the I think Oldfield/Henry may slot in for him. A shame really, he was one of my favourites last year.
                          Your negatives are so spot on it hurts, I am bewildered at how some people still cannot see it, it really bugs me to death.

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