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  • #16
    Originally posted by sirgamble View Post
    Mini's doing a good job at 5/8... he's seriously our only experienced guy right now with the skills!
    WTF????

    It just gets worse.



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    • #17
      Originally posted by sirgamble View Post
      Yeah Pearce is great, and always puts in a solid effort! But he's definitely something else. He tackles a lot (and spoils ball a lot... always seems to be the guy kicking the ball into touch once it's inside our goal area) while doing some pretty solid runs too. But... he doesn't setup amazing plays for the rest of us, nor does he offer smooth ball between the backs and forwards.

      That said... who cares? We're stuffed either way this season, and we're beyond the point where positional changes will make a realistic difference.

      TBH I THINK why Mini and Pearce are 5/8 and halfback respectively is so that we have some talent in the middle, because that's the only place where we get ball! SKD gets pretty well no ball, and when he does, he's scoring runaway tries anyway! So Mini at wing... don't need it. Fullback... same, because of how we're playing, Perrett's not getting much ball (well he is, but he's just kicking it into touch when he does get ball.) Mini would be wasted in either position because he'd get a lot less ball. He's definitely not a 5/8, but this season... we just need steady hands in the middle (not some guy knocking it on + throwing shoddy passes that people fumble or knock on.) He does that part well...

      Put it this way... Fitzgibbon, Mini and Pearce are the only 3 guys playing proper league out there! Fitzgibbon gets ALL the ball and does ALL the tackles for the forwards. Mini/Pearce do ALL the work in between... the rest are inexperienced centres who have good pace, but realistically don't get much ball because we're not getting possession (and the possession we get, we're being safe with by getting forwards to run it up.)

      This is our hole. Every play we need creative backs making 10-20m and getting us out of the danger zone. It's not happening because mostly we get the ball from within our 20, so the message is "just don't drop the bloody ball forward!" rather than "okay young ones... do your magic!" So... a solid forward runs it up! I saw us either running SIDEWAYS, BACKWARDS or about 5m forward on the weekend, just so that we didn't drop the ball.

      It's such a boring, old-fashioned, defensive tactic! Nothing ventured, nothing gained... 'ay? And we've gained nothing out of this season. Freddie already knows he's sacked... not quite sure why he's doing everything so conservatively...
      My rule is, not to drink before midday..

      You should give it a go..

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      • #18
        Originally posted by sirgamble View Post
        TBH I THINK why Mini and Pearce are 5/8 and halfback respectively is so that we have some talent in the middle, because that's the only place where we get ball! SKD gets pretty well no ball, and when he does, he's scoring runaway tries anyway! So Mini at wing... don't need it. Fullback... same, because of how we're playing, Perrett's not getting much ball (well he is, but he's just kicking it into touch when he does get ball.) Mini would be wasted in either position because he'd get a lot less ball. He's definitely not a 5/8, but this season... we just need steady hands in the middle (not some guy knocking it on + throwing shoddy passes that people fumble or knock on.) He does that part well...
        Did you really watch the game on the weekend???

        Unfarkingbelievable.



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        • #19
          SirGamble obviously doesn't think we need a kicking option other than Pearce, which is where I disagree.

          Poor old dependable Fitzy had the honours last week until Jones was on the field of being the kicking option other than Pearce. Not enough that he does all the tackling and most of the hitups, he gets to share the kicking duties as well.

          And if it wasn't him Jake had a go, just like he has a go at everything else that moves.

          Why is it that 3 farking blokes have to bust their arses and have so much responsbility whilst others loiter around and do sweet FA.

          Jones at least gives us a few options in the halves if Pearce gets caught with the ball on the 4th tackle, which happened a fair bit Sat night. Mini has no farking clue. He turns tail and heads for the safety of the backline.


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          • #20
            Originally posted by Pass the Ball View Post
            My rule is, not to drink before midday..

            You should give it a go..
            Classic...I'll drink to that!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by sirgamble View Post
              the rest are inexperienced centres who have good pace, but realistically don't get much ball because we're not getting possession (and the possession we get, we're being safe with by getting forwards to run it up.)

              You forgot one stsae.

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              • #22
                if mini is our only player with skills we are in MASSIVE trouble!!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BUDDY View Post
                  You forgot one stsae.
                  Gold.

                  There were so many I was sure to miss something.



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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by sirgamble View Post
                    Yeah Pearce is great, and always puts in a solid effort! But he's definitely something else. He tackles a lot (and spoils ball a lot... always seems to be the guy kicking the ball into touch once it's inside our goal area) while doing some pretty solid runs too. But... he doesn't setup amazing plays for the rest of us, nor does he offer smooth ball between the backs and forwards.

                    That said... who cares? We're stuffed either way this season, and we're beyond the point where positional changes will make a realistic difference.

                    TBH I THINK why Mini and Pearce are 5/8 and halfback respectively is so that we have some talent in the middle, because that's the only place where we get ball! SKD gets pretty well no ball, and when he does, he's scoring runaway tries anyway! So Mini at wing... don't need it. Fullback... same, because of how we're playing, Perrett's not getting much ball (well he is, but he's just kicking it into touch when he does get ball.) Mini would be wasted in either position because he'd get a lot less ball. He's definitely not a 5/8, but this season... we just need steady hands in the middle (not some guy knocking it on + throwing shoddy passes that people fumble or knock on.) He does that part well...

                    Put it this way... Fitzgibbon, Mini and Pearce are the only 3 guys playing proper league out there! Fitzgibbon gets ALL the ball and does ALL the tackles for the forwards. Mini/Pearce do ALL the work in between... the rest are inexperienced centres who have good pace, but realistically don't get much ball because we're not getting possession (and the possession we get, we're being safe with by getting forwards to run it up.)

                    This is our hole. Every play we need creative backs making 10-20m and getting us out of the danger zone. It's not happening because mostly we get the ball from within our 20, so the message is "just don't drop the bloody ball forward!" rather than "okay young ones... do your magic!" So... a solid forward runs it up! I saw us either running SIDEWAYS, BACKWARDS or about 5m forward on the weekend, just so that we didn't drop the ball.

                    It's such a boring, old-fashioned, defensive tactic! Nothing ventured, nothing gained... 'ay? And we've gained nothing out of this season. Freddie already knows he's sacked... not quite sure why he's doing everything so conservatively...

                    Faark me you are gifted..

                    You have perfected making a point, & then disagreeing with that point....within the SAME sentence..

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Horrie Is God View Post
                      Faark me you are gifted..

                      You have perfected making a point, & then disagreeing with that point....within the SAME sentence..


                      In context it makes complete sense and you know that.
                      He's playing well, but isn't getting clean ball because he's fullback, and is only taking kicks from inside the goal line.
                      Basically... he's disposing of the ball well in situations where 3 things can happen:
                      a) An opposition hand gets to the ball and a try is scored.
                      b) He kicks it out... so there's a drop-out.
                      c) He picks it up and gets tackled... so there's a drop-out.

                      Mini would do the same (and he's arguably the game's best fullback.) So rather than wasting his talents on desperate moves like that, we're giving him clean ball in the middle, where he's a play-maker. End of story...
                      Last edited by sirgamble; 08-19-2009, 01:49 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Since when has it all been about what's good for Mini, rather than what's good for the team as a whole.

                        No one can tell me that an inexperienced 5/8 with no real kicking or organisational ability is the best solution for the current team.

                        All it does is give the opposition a clean shot at Pearce because they know there is no other option in attack and if they shut him down they nullify what little attacking ability the team has.

                        And in the meantime we have a passenger on the wing in SKD who lets in try after try. A passenger who could be more than suitably replaced by Mini, putting him in a position he's comfortable with.

                        At least Jones in the halves gives us another kicking option and his passing game isn't bad either.

                        But each of their own I suppose.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by novice chook View Post
                          Since when has it all been about what's good for Mini, rather than what's good for the team as a whole.

                          No one can tell me that an inexperienced 5/8 with no real kicking or organisational ability is the best solution for the current team.

                          All it does is give the opposition a clean shot at Pearce because they know there is no other option in attack and if they shut him down they nullify what little attacking ability the team has.

                          And in the meantime we have a passenger on the wing in SKD who lets in try after try. A passenger who could be more than suitably replaced by Mini, putting him in a position he's comfortable with.

                          At least Jones in the halves gives us another kicking option and his passing game isn't bad either.

                          But each of their own I suppose.

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                          Yeah it's a squeeze 'ay?
                          I think the problem is we have a lack of AMAZING talent right now. Pearce, Mini and Fitzgibbon I'd say are our 3 golden boys out there. Everybody knows it, and wherever you put them they're gonna be shut down.

                          Freddie has a philosophy about mixing up positions, and I support him in that. Mini never would have been known as a fullback if Ricky Stuart hadn't said "hey let's try Mini as fullback!"

                          I think pure genius and ridiculous stupidity can often be separated by a knife's blade... that's league for you. You've gotta stand for what you believe in, and have the balls to try new stuff (particularly when you're not doing so well and are under heavy criticism.) Now it didn't work for Freddie... e.g. Anasta as fullback... what if he'd played an awesome game as fullback and that had marked the turning point for our season? It didn't... he failed, and Freddie looked stupid.

                          All I can say is that he makes his decisions in good faith, and has all throughout his career. That's what made him such a deadly player; he asserted himself and wasn't scared of being criticised if his assertions were wrong.

                          Unfortunately the same thing has led to his failure and demise as a coach... harsh world 'ay? But I still love him. I reckon him and Fitzie deserve our love for these last few games whatever they do. I just think back to 2002... Fittler and Fitzgibbon were amazing that season. I just want to forget this whole season... everybody from the ground up made mistakes, and I think we've learned a lot from it. Bring on the next season!!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by sirgamble View Post
                            Yeah it's a squeeze 'ay?
                            I think the problem is we have a lack of AMAZING talent right now. Pearce, Mini and Fitzgibbon I'd say are our 3 golden boys out there. Everybody knows it, and wherever you put them they're gonna be shut down.

                            Freddie has a philosophy about mixing up positions, and I support him in that. Mini never would have been known as a fullback if Ricky Stuart hadn't said "hey let's try Mini as fullback!"

                            I think pure genius and ridiculous stupidity can often be separated by a knife's blade... that's league for you. You've gotta stand for what you believe in, and have the balls to try new stuff (particularly when you're not doing so well and are under heavy criticism.) Now it didn't work for Freddie... e.g. Anasta as fullback... what if he'd played an awesome game as fullback and that had marked the turning point for our season? It didn't... he failed, and Freddie looked stupid.

                            All I can say is that he makes his decisions in good faith, and has all throughout his career. That's what made him such a deadly player; he asserted himself and wasn't scared of being criticised if his assertions were wrong.

                            Unfortunately the same thing has led to his failure and demise as a coach... harsh world 'ay? But I still love him. I reckon him and Fitzie deserve our love for these last few games whatever they do. I just think back to 2002... Fittler and Fitzgibbon were amazing that season. I just want to forget this whole season... everybody from the ground up made mistakes, and I think we've learned a lot from it. Bring on the next season!!

                            You are doing it again..

                            Stop arguing with yourself..

                            And please consult an adult before you post this unintelligible crap..

                            You support Freddy making ridiculous descisions...That doesn't surprise me,as you are either 13,or have the intelligence of a 13 year old..

                            Now shhh...The adults are talking..

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by sirgamble View Post


                              In context it makes complete sense and you know that.
                              He's playing well, but isn't getting clean ball because he's fullback, and is only taking kicks from inside the goal line.
                              Basically... he's disposing of the ball well in situations where 3 things can happen:
                              a) An opposition hand gets to the ball and a try is scored.
                              b) He kicks it out... so there's a drop-out.
                              c) He picks it up and gets tackled... so there's a drop-out.

                              Mini would do the same (and he's arguably the game's best fullback.) So rather than wasting his talents on desperate moves like that, we're giving him clean ball in the middle, where he's a play-maker. End of story...
                              It makes NO sense..

                              Anyone who bothers to read the crap you post knows that..

                              Go have a look at the majority of the replies to your posts..

                              As for the TROLL bit...well if that's the best you can do,it just re-inforces my severely low opinion of your intelligence..

                              As i said before..when you decide to get help for your problem you will be nowhere near as funny..
                              Last edited by Horrie Is God; 08-19-2009, 04:28 PM.

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                              • #30
                                I will always respect and admire Fittler for the tremendously talented player that he was. That will never change.

                                But as an individual and character, I will admit that I have lost some respect and regard for the bloke in recent times.

                                As for Fitzgibbon, he is a true legend who has always put the club and the team before his own personal goals as a player. He never had the talent of a Fittler but had the commitment and the passion for the RW&B that puts him in the upper echelons of Roosters legends in my opinion.

                                Always gave 100% in every game he played and never a hint of off field scandal. You couldn't fault the bloke and the way he's conducted himself in any way, shape or form.

                                He will create a big gaping hole in our team and our club when he leaves in 3 weeks. It's just a real shame it couldn't be under better circumstances. The bloke deserves so much better than he'll receive.

                                I just hope his team mates really put on a stellar performance with him against the Cowboys. Anything less and they should all hang their heads in blood disgrace.


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