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    Hi guys.I'm so sick of hearing people question a number of highly dubious topics related to SBW and how he will destroy our culture. There are common misconceptions which float around and they include:

    1. The japanese rugby issue: I can see the area of concern over this topic and how people may find faults with his decision to play Japanese rugby. But what people need to understand is what playing rugby in Japan means in relation to him joining us. Will he be less fit?, no in fact he will be more fitter than ever. Playing rugby week in week out in Japan is by far better than Sitting on a couch for a month and then trying to burn off the fat in the following two months.Although Japanese rugby isn't the toughest of comp's, by his age he has been through many preseason trips and if he isn't developed and fit by this stage of his career, then he will probably never be.

    2.Him Boxing: If in another life i was a footy coach, then the first thing that I would implement in training is boxing and cardio fitness for all players if possible. I have never understood the fascination that young men have with bulking up and these days they take all kinds of supplements and what not, and many studies have shown that some of these supplements lead to heart problems later onin life.I remember reading an article not long ago in the SMH about something like that. Anyway, my point is that him boxing has no negative impact for us, if anything it is better for us with and hopefully more of our players follow suit and become more fitter than what they are now. He has only ever played against amateurs and so far in his career has no injuries to speak of from his boxing career, and looks fitter than ever.

    3. Mundine and Khoder : I have no issues with them being a part of his management as it evidently has not affected his performances in Playing Union.He himself has admitted that since he joined with Khoder and Mundine he has gained a new sense of professionalism and put to one side many of the off field issues he had in his earlier days with the dogs. He is this year the best centre hands down in Union, so his career has not been faltered in that respect.

    4. Asking price and contract length : To put it plain and simple, we did not have to unwillingly get rid of players in order to fit him in. Ryles, Carney, Myles, Perrett, and Mitchell left for reasons of their own and Anasta is deadwood. With him playing in Japan, we can only pay him a fraction of what he may had demanded in union. With the reported one year deal with an option, only positives can come from that. If he doesn't cope in his first year than, he can leave us with no loss of our stars coming off contract in 2013.If he does cope and kills it then we can extend him a deal for an extra year. Although many view him as a mercenary, myself included, he has always put his best foot forward literally regardless of what team he has played in and given 100%. How many players have we signed long term only for them to play crap the very same year. FPN and SKD can fit into that category although SKD has been injured, even JWH has backed down a little in recent times.

    5.His religion and Influence on other players: I don't want to open a new can of worms with this but all I am going to say is that I don't care what religion he follows as long as he respects other players and their beliefs and creates team harmony. Religion for me is a very personal and spiritual thing and even with myself, I sometimes take offense when people ask me which religion I practice. Anyway, with regards to his influence on other players, I think every young guy in the team at the moment has round one next year circle on their calender along with the Anasta farewell party.Only good things can come from playing along side of someone like sonny bill and learning his trade.

    6. His disrespect for League:Deep down every one has their opinions on what he did in 2008, however he has always spoken of his love for league and wanting to come back. I think it is brave for him to return and of course the money was a big part of his decision, but he knows now the hostile reception he will get when he returns.I think it is a good thing for our game and for our club especially that he is returning.

    I personally cannot wait for next year. I think we will have a solid structure with SBW, Maloney and RTS along with Pearce also.i still feel that we need a Dummy half, even a Kevin Kingston style of player will do.

    That being said we will finish top four for sure hopefully if we have a good run with injuries.
    Comment of the year:

    Andrew Johns, Semi-Final vs North Queensland ,

    "It's touched Lui's hand and travelled forward but that's not a knock on"

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    nice summary davos i agree with most of what you have written, my only concern re his religion is the effect a month of fasting over ramadam must have on the performance of a player?

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    • #3
      The comment from SKD in one of the papers last month sold me. Something along the lines of "why would anyone want to leave when we have Sonny coming". This was in relation to the Pearce unhappy articles. When you watch interviews or games that he plays in his presence is always felt. Even though he is so quiet, he has such a dominate personality and guys like RTS and moga etc need someone like Sonny. Just him being around camp will bring a load of confidence to our team. Im definitely not saying we will win the comp with him. But we will be alot better off than what we have been this year.

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      • #4
        No doubt he's a great footballer. I still remember his debut vs Parramatta and thinking "wow, who the hell is this guy"

        But any suggestion that his addition will win us a comp or even get us into the top 4 is well wide of the mark. There's so much more that goes into making a top shelf side than throwing high priced signings at the joint. We've proved that time and again.

        What worries me is Politis giving him his every wish - yes you can box, yes you can play Rugby, yes you can sign for 1 year, yes you can sit out the Bulldogs match, and god knows what else.

        The risk with him is that he erodes what you do need to have a successful club - a working culture where no-one is bigger than the club, everyone wants to be there, and everyone is focussed solely on the Roosters on what they can do to make the place work.

        That, coupled with the fact he's been cruising around in Union for years means he's a massive risk in my opinion

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        • #5
          Originally posted by davos View Post
          Hi guys.I'm so sick of hearing people question a number of highly dubious topics related to SBW and how he will destroy our culture. There are common misconceptions which float around and they include:

          1. The japanese rugby issue: I can see the area of concern over this topic and how people may find faults with his decision to play Japanese rugby. But what people need to understand is what playing rugby in Japan means in relation to him joining us. Will he be less fit?, no in fact he will be more fitter than ever. Playing rugby week in week out in Japan is by far better than Sitting on a couch for a month and then trying to burn off the fat in the following two months.Although Japanese rugby isn't the toughest of comp's, by his age he has been through many preseason trips and if he isn't developed and fit by this stage of his career, then he will probably never be.

          2.Him Boxing: If in another life i was a footy coach, then the first thing that I would implement in training is boxing and cardio fitness for all players if possible. I have never understood the fascination that young men have with bulking up and these days they take all kinds of supplements and what not, and many studies have shown that some of these supplements lead to heart problems later onin life.I remember reading an article not long ago in the SMH about something like that. Anyway, my point is that him boxing has no negative impact for us, if anything it is better for us with and hopefully more of our players follow suit and become more fitter than what they are now. He has only ever played against amateurs and so far in his career has no injuries to speak of from his boxing career, and looks fitter than ever.

          3. Mundine and Khoder : I have no issues with them being a part of his management as it evidently has not affected his performances in Playing Union.He himself has admitted that since he joined with Khoder and Mundine he has gained a new sense of professionalism and put to one side many of the off field issues he had in his earlier days with the dogs. He is this year the best centre hands down in Union, so his career has not been faltered in that respect.

          4. Asking price and contract length : To put it plain and simple, we did not have to unwillingly get rid of players in order to fit him in. Ryles, Carney, Myles, Perrett, and Mitchell left for reasons of their own and Anasta is deadwood. With him playing in Japan, we can only pay him a fraction of what he may had demanded in union. With the reported one year deal with an option, only positives can come from that. If he doesn't cope in his first year than, he can leave us with no loss of our stars coming off contract in 2013.If he does cope and kills it then we can extend him a deal for an extra year. Although many view him as a mercenary, myself included, he has always put his best foot forward literally regardless of what team he has played in and given 100%. How many players have we signed long term only for them to play crap the very same year. FPN and SKD can fit into that category although SKD has been injured, even JWH has backed down a little in recent times.

          5.His religion and Influence on other players: I don't want to open a new can of worms with this but all I am going to say is that I don't care what religion he follows as long as he respects other players and their beliefs and creates team harmony. Religion for me is a very personal and spiritual thing and even with myself, I sometimes take offense when people ask me which religion I practice. Anyway, with regards to his influence on other players, I think every young guy in the team at the moment has round one next year circle on their calender along with the Anasta farewell party.Only good things can come from playing along side of someone like sonny bill and learning his trade.

          6. His disrespect for League:Deep down every one has their opinions on what he did in 2008, however he has always spoken of his love for league and wanting to come back. I think it is brave for him to return and of course the money was a big part of his decision, but he knows now the hostile reception he will get when he returns.I think it is a good thing for our game and for our club especially that he is returning.

          I personally cannot wait for next year. I think we will have a solid structure with SBW, Maloney and RTS along with Pearce also.i still feel that we need a Dummy half, even a Kevin Kingston style of player will do.

          That being said we will finish top four for sure hopefully if we have a good run with injuries.
          Teh only reason he left teh dogs is they were shafting him with payments. There was nothing else to it. and if most of you knew teh details and teh same thing happenned to you your Unions would be up in arms.

          He did the right thing walking out on them. They screwed him. Leave it at that.
          Alcohol never solved any life problems.....then again neither did milk.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tony the wheel View Post
            No doubt he's a great footballer. I still remember his debut vs Parramatta and thinking "wow, who the hell is this guy"

            But any suggestion that his addition will win us a comp or even get us into the top 4 is well wide of the mark. There's so much more that goes into making a top shelf side than throwing high priced signings at the joint. We've proved that time and again.

            What worries me is Politis giving him his every wish - yes you can box, yes you can play Rugby, yes you can sign for 1 year, yes you can sit out the Bulldogs match, and god knows what else.

            The risk with him is that he erodes what you do need to have a successful club - a working culture where no-one is bigger than the club, everyone wants to be there, and everyone is focussed solely on the Roosters on what they can do to make the place work.

            That, coupled with the fact he's been cruising around in Union for years means he's a massive risk in my opinion
            One bloke can make the difference RE : Todd Carney
            SBW will bring an attitude that will rub off on the rest that I am sure of may take a few games but he will.
            Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe

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            • #7
              Great thread davos, you can see just how much effort you have put into this!

              I want us all to get behind SBW, he can do great things for us! As has been mentioned, SBW alone will not win us a premiership, but once we get a new coaching staff and our team improves as a whole, SBW will have a significant contribution if we do happen to win a premiership!
              The year 2013 marks the beginning of the Roosters next 'decade of excellence', and it will prove to be more successful than the last!

              Here's looking at you, kid.

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              • #8
                Nice thread.
                Anyone not welcoming SBW with open arms is a fair dinkum idiot!
                So he was disloyal to the Dogs....WHO CARES!....What's it to you!!....Are you a Dogs Supporter? NO!....Then get over it!!!
                Last edited by Thirteen; 08-16-2012, 01:45 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tony the wheel View Post
                  No doubt he's a great footballer. I still remember his debut vs Parramatta and thinking "wow, who the hell is this guy"

                  But any suggestion that his addition will win us a comp or even get us into the top 4 is well wide of the mark. There's so much more that goes into making a top shelf side than throwing high priced signings at the joint. We've proved that time and again.

                  What worries me is Politis giving him his every wish - yes you can box, yes you can play Rugby, yes you can sign for 1 year, yes you can sit out the Bulldogs match, and god knows what else.

                  The risk with him is that he erodes what you do need to have a successful club - a working culture where no-one is bigger than the club, everyone wants to be there, and everyone is focussed solely on the Roosters on what they can do to make the place work.

                  That, coupled with the fact he's been cruising around in Union for years means he's a massive risk in my opinion
                  Tony the players would be absolutely thrilled at the prospect of having SBW in their team. It will give them a huge lift.
                  The blokes reputation is at stake. He isn't going to come to league (which has a much bigger audience than rubbish union) and not give it his all.
                  The only risk with SBW is injury but this cannot be helped.

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                  • #10
                    Can't wait to see him play for us if all goes well. He'll be setting up at least a linebreak a game.

                    There would also be games where he's in the zone and plays on another stratosphere to everyone else and you'll pity the opposition.

                    I remember a game in 07 I think Monday night at ANZ where he tore us a new one... I was listening on radio and the commentators couldn't believe what they were watching it was a truly a one man show.
                    Last edited by Geohood; 08-16-2012, 02:56 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tony the wheel View Post
                      No doubt he's a great footballer. I still remember his debut vs Parramatta and thinking "wow, who the hell is this guy"

                      But any suggestion that his addition will win us a comp or even get us into the top 4 is well wide of the mark. There's so much more that goes into making a top shelf side than throwing high priced signings at the joint. We've proved that time and again.

                      What worries me is Politis giving him his every wish - yes you can box, yes you can play Rugby, yes you can sign for 1 year, yes you can sit out the Bulldogs match, and god knows what else.

                      The risk with him is that he erodes what you do need to have a successful club - a working culture where no-one is bigger than the club, everyone wants to be there, and everyone is focussed solely on the Roosters on what they can do to make the place work.

                      That, coupled with the fact he's been cruising around in Union for years means he's a massive risk in my opinion
                      That is bang on and my only real concern. (excluding a serious injury)

                      Politis allowing him to rock up in February as the highest paid player at the club whilst the others have slogged it out for 3 months under the hot summer sun during the off-season training just sends out all the wrong signals to our young squad. If we don't start the season well it's pretty obvious whom the squad will point the blame at, whilst Politis will obviously back his signing and get ready for a club fracture ala 2009 style.

                      It's a gamble, I'm crossing all my appendages that it will pay off.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by elo View Post
                        That is bang on and my only real concern. (excluding a serious injury)

                        Politis allowing him to rock up in February as the highest paid player at the club whilst the others have slogged it out for 3 months under the hot summer sun during the off-season training just sends out all the wrong signals to our young squad. If we don't start the season well it's pretty obvious whom the squad will point the blame at, whilst Politis will obviously back his signing and get ready for a club fracture ala 2009 style.

                        It's a gamble, I'm crossing all my appendages that it will pay off.
                        Most teams top players miss a lot of pre-season due to rep comittments anyway.Once their rep games are over they then have their mandatory 6 weeks break from any training as well,which means they are all away till January.
                        SBW would certainly be selected for reps when he becomes eligable,so he is actually missing very little pre season to any other marque player...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by spanner View Post
                          Most teams top players miss a lot of pre-season due to rep comittments anyway.Once their rep games are over they then have their mandatory 6 weeks break from any training as well,which means they are all away till January.
                          SBW would certainly be selected for reps when he becomes eligable,so he is actually missing very little pre season to any other marque player...
                          league rep commitments are different to playing union in japan as a cash grab

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tony the wheel View Post
                            league rep commitments are different to playing union in japan as a cash grab
                            Still amounts to roughly the same time away which I was replying to...

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                            • #15
                              Rep players usually return in November, the only reason they'd return in January is if there was a major tournament like the World Cup.

                              There has to be a big worry about a physical & mental burnout, 18 months straight is a massive ask even for a professional.

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