We need DCE. Simples!

[Rooster90]

Absolute crap defense ALL year.

our middles get destroyed by any form of footwork - that's on the defensive structure that Robbo prides himself

What is more concerning is how often the likes of Mark Nicholls, Josh King etc seem to score multiple tries....

[Bates]

Our defence cost us last night. We really missed NButch, Rads, Billy and Hugo. Bad timing the the latter three.

No idea what Leniu brings to the team. Target Tino if he decides to leave the Titans and get rid of this bloke.

DCE wouldn't have saved us last night if he got ruled out for most of the game. We would be exactly where we were last night.

Amazing if Toups doesn't drop that ball then everyone is sweet.

FFS

But Toops did drop the ball and we again made numerous basis fundamental errors and gave away silly penalties. This imo stems from a team that plays with no control or structure. We shift in our own 20 and turn over possession when the halfback should've had a clear vision of what that set should look like including his 5th tackle option. Sammy should've made it clear to his outside backs and forwards to ruck it up followed by a long kick on the last.

Halfbacks need to be respected and their instructions need to be followed. Do you think Cronk would've allowed that shift which led to Gus dropping the ball in our own 20 and with the game in the balance? No freaking way!

A good organising halfback will help us harness and maximise this teams potential. Structure is key! I like Sammy however we need more than what he has to offer as our 7.

[ChookMaster]

But Toops did drop the ball and we again made numerous basis fundamental errors and gave away silly penalties. This imo stems from a team that plays with no control or structure. We shift in our own 20 and turn over possession when the halfback should've had a clear vision of what that set should look like including his 5th tackle option. Sammy should've made it clear to his outside backs and forwards to ruck it up followed by a long kick on the last.

Halfbacks need to be respected and their instructions need to be followed. Do you think Cronk would've allowed that shift which led to Gus dropping the ball in our own 20 and with the game in the balance? No freaking way!

A good organising halfback will help us harness and maximise this teams potential. Structure is key! I like Sammy however we need more than what he has to offer as our 7.

To be fair the play was on, I was walking behind the posts watching as it was unfolding and we had the overlap - Gussy just had a shocker.

I’m more concerned about our D to be honest.. we let both their props score 3 tries in the middle when was the last time we ever conceded that? So so so soft.

[theGman]

As much as I agree with needing DCE in the halves to steer the ship,I still believe we have more important issues to address like defense..

It’s clear as day we have issues defending teams,hopefully adding Robson somehow helps that..

You can have all the attacking ability in the world,but if you can’t defend as a unit then you’re toast..

Not sure if Trent knows how to fix it to be honest.

He knows how to talk about it and sell the dream like a master salesman,but not sure if this current team can apply it..

Our goal line defense is embarrassing and abysmal.
In fact, it's not improving. One of their forwards last night went through untouched.

[Bates]

Our goal line defense is embarrassing and abysmal.
In fact, it's not improving. One of their forwards last night went through untouched.

Did you see Wongs face when that occurred? It was like he saw a ghost.

[Inflictor]

To be fair the play was on, I was walking behind the posts watching as it was unfolding and we had the overlap - Gussy just had a shocker.

I’m more concerned about our D to be honest.. we let both their props score 3 tries in the middle when was the last time we ever conceded that? So so so soft.

Pretty sure they made 3 line breaks all night and those were it.

Our goal line defence has been good overall this year but last night was a sad watch.

Leniu gives me no confidence at all. We were missing four of our best defenders in their positions (ie. Rads, NButch, Billy and Hugo).

[BTRD]

I am still a big fat NO to DCE.

[The Lip]

our middles get destroyed by any form of footwork - that's on the defensive structure that Robbo prides himself

What is more concerning is how often the likes of Mark Nicholls, Josh King etc seem to score multiple tries....

There was zero footwork on their forwards tries - just hard running back on the angle and holes opened up bigger than the Sydney heads - that’s on the coach imo.

[Bates]

There was zero footwork on their forwards tries - just hard running back on the angle and holes opened up bigger than the Sydney heads - that’s on the coach imo.

There's a ball watching epidemic in this team. All eyes on the ball whilst the opposition player they should be tracking changes his line and goes through untouched. Now you see me now you don't .

[Rooster90]

There was zero footwork on their forwards tries - just hard running back on the angle and holes opened up bigger than the Sydney heads - that’s on the coach imo.

disagree, Harry Grant constantly changed angles when running from dummy half to put his forwards into space...hence footwork

[Mickie Lane]

Last round against the Sharks it became clear and after tonight’s performance it’s become crystal clear!

This team needs structure. An on field organising half that can control the tempo, keep things within the playing systems parameters and close games out. These unforced errors that are costing us points stem from a lack of control of the game. At times, things resemble a game of back yard footy. Everyone goes into heads up mode and we either score or turn the ball over.

We’re failing to build pressure as we want to score off every set. How often do we gift the opposition momentum. You can’t win comps playing in that fashion!

DCE play’s tonight and we win imo. Same can be said about numerous games that were in the bag only to spiral out of control and go pear shaped.

Thoughts?

Hugo is what I classify "An on field organising half that can control the tempo, keep things within the playing systems parameters and close games out". For me No 7
Sammy is an eyes up non structured risk taking player. For me No 6

[Steakface]

Hugo is what I classify "An on field organising half that can control the tempo, keep things within the playing systems parameters and close games out". For me No 7
Sammy is an eyes up non structured risk taking player. For me No 6

Think I get the point you are making, and I agree.

If you have a Sammy Walker style half, you need something more conservative and structured alongside.

Doesn't matter if Sammy is wearing 6. or 7., just give him licence to do what he does best. There we will rocks and diamonds, but we have an attacking threat that most other teams could only dream of.

I'm confident Savala can take care of the structure for probably $800,000k a year less than DCE, and he'll be sharper physically too than old man DCE.

DCE is a great player. But he is 1,000 years old, costs way too much for what we'd get, and he is not necessary in order for us to craft together a top 4 side imo.

If we nail down some impenetrable brickwall defensive structures in the 2nd row and on the flanks, a spine of Teddy, Sammy, Savala, Robson & Watson would deliver a premiership. No DCE required.

[The Lip]

disagree, Harry Grant constantly changed angles when running from dummy half to put his forwards into space...hence footwork

Please mate - watch the tries there is ****all footwork from anyone and none from the try scorers just poor defensive structures and straight hard runners.

[chopstiks]

we didn't try to seduce Ben Hunt for the hell of it

[Bates]

Think I get the point you are making, and I agree.

If you have a Sammy Walker style half, you need something more conservative and structured alongside.

Doesn't matter if Sammy is wearing 6. or 7., just give him licence to do what he does best. There we will rocks and diamonds, but we have an attacking threat that most other teams could only dream of.

I'm confident Savala can take care of the structure for probably $800,000k a year less than DCE, and he'll be sharper physically too than old man DCE.

DCE is a great player. But he is 1,000 years old, costs way too much for what we'd get, and he is not necessary in order for us to craft together a top 4 side imo.

If we nail down some impenetrable brickwall defensive structures in the 2nd row and on the flanks, a spine of Teddy, Sammy, Savala, Robson & Watson would deliver a premiership. No DCE required.

That becomes a problem when your 7(Savala or DCE) are thinking 2 and 3 sets ahead. Sammy demands the ball on the 2nd tackle and pulls the trigger only to turn possession over on your own 40 meter line. Momentum swings, the opposition scores and now you're behind the 8 ball.

Sammy can't have free rein imo. He needs to work within the parameters that maximises the teams chances of winning. Fark ups are more consequential in the 6 again era. An element of structure has never been more important imo. This starts with your halves.