Matty Johns rates NRL teams chances to Win Premiership

[Guest]

Hmmm. Maybe, but I doubt it. Your stance on recreational drugs seems puritanical, which suggests an antiquated and regressive outlook on life.

Yeah, you suck.

I may suck but Im deff not a druggo! You should move over here. You would be in heaven! My outlook on life doesnt need drugs to make it ahny better. You can have them. You obviously need them to make you feel better about yourself.

[Chook Norris]

Still a cheat and still broke the rules. Still gets his face in tele. Do you want your kids to take drugs as long they are 'champion halfbacks'?

he broke the law.

but how is he a cheat?

To imply one is a cheat is to suggest he broke the rules of the game and took performance enhancing drugs which gave him an advantage over other athletes. He didn't do that, he committed a crime against the law.

Laws and the rules of the game are different ralph.

Not condoning what he did, but you're about the first or maybe second person i've heard to call him a "cheat".

[Guest]

Chook, I think you will find that it is in the rules for league players. Thats why they are tested. Not just performance enhancing but recreational as well. And yes, I do treat it as cheating. If it helps a player calm down and cover their soreness or injuries, then they are cheating. Its not dencorub!

[Salvatori Grubber]

I may suck but Im deff not a druggo! You should move over here. You would be in heaven! My outlook on life doesnt need drugs to make it ahny better. You can have them. You obviously need them to make you feel better about yourself.

If you'd read my post you'd have seen that I said "I did recreational drugs when I was younger". Like you, I couldn't and wouldn't do them now, as it would be irresponsible and detrimental to my business, my family and my life in general.

I am merely trying to point out that kids making tits of themselves on eccies is very normal, and somewhat 'healthy' insofar as experience is concerned.

Your zero tolerance stance on this matter is a far greater travesty than kids getting loaded will ever be.

[Guest]

he wasnt glorified for taking the drugs, he was glorified for being a champion halfback. but ill say again, the drugs WERENT the reason why he WAS that champion halfback. darren lockyer. hes a champion player. he didnt take drugs. he is glorified. the other hundreds of players arent as good as lockyer or johns, and there fore, arent glorified.

Rumours in the past have said otherwise...

[Guest]

If you'd read my post you'd have seen that I said "I did recreational drugs when I was younger". Like you, I couldn't and wouldn't do them now, as it would be irresponsible and detrimental to my business, my family and my life in general.

I am merely trying to point out that kids making tits of themselves on eccies is very normal, and somewhat 'healthy' insofar as experience is concerned.

Your zero tolerance stance on this matter is a far greater travesty than kids getting loaded will ever be.

Not really. I never went out and got smashed and did things that wrecked other peoples lives. Thats a travesty. Taking drugs is a sign of weakness. No excuses in the world can justify drug use. Its a choice. You either make it or you dont. Experimentation is a load of crap. What does it help with for their futures?? A criminal record maybe, hit and run on a cyclist maybe, fighting, losing friends and loved ones, the lost goes on. They are all really good 'expreimentations' arent they?!

If doing it now is detrimntal to your business and you life today, then its the same for you in the past. If its wrong, its wrong. you cant have it both ways. If your a fan of it, dont hide it. Its your choice and I have no problem with it but to me, its something I never been tempted by. I never needed to impress anybody of find out about myself by using drugs. I want my kids to follow the example I set and I hope they too never feel the need to 'try'.

[Chook Norris]

Chook, I think you will find that it is in the rules for league players. Thats why they are tested. Not just performance enhancing but recreational as well. And yes, I do treat it as cheating. If it helps a player calm down and cover their soreness or injuries, then they are cheating. Its not dencorub!

See here, ralph:

Johns said he was tested, mainly on game day, through the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority. But after the game he could consume drugs freely, knowing he wouldn't be tested by his club until the next training session, and by then the drugs would be out of his system.

If ASADA took a drug test on any day other than match day, his urine would not have been tested for illicit drugs. The drugs may well have been in his urine as evidence, but the laboratory would not have recorded it because on non-match days they only test for performance-enhancing drugs like steroids and growth hormones.

http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news...067369217.html

Knowing the system and considering they were tested before matches, he took his recreational drugs after the match. So it never really gave him an advantage to calm him down during the match..

And yes, I do treat it as cheating. If it helps a player calm down and cover their soreness or injuries, then they are cheating. Its not dencorub!

And.. alcohol, which calms a player down, would that be cheating too?

is... Kava which produces similar effects and helps players calm down illegal too?


Anyway, i think this post by someone on LU provides a balanced view:

I agree with Perverse in that he is a cheat by definition--assuming that the definition of a cheat is someone who breaks the rules. But, strictly speaking, Andrew didn't break any of the rules that are in place to prevent a player from getting an unfair advantage; he broke a rule that is there to protect the reputation of the game.

Let's face it, recreational drugs are banned in the NRL because they are illegaland, like any other organisation, the NRL do not want to be associated with illegal behaviour. They are not banned because they allow a player to cope better with firstgrade as there are many other mechanisims out there (Kava for example) that can be utilised that don't bring the game into disrepute and that don't give a player an unfair advantage over other players.

Do I think he's a cheat? By strict definition: yes. Do I think his drug use gave him an unfair advantage over everyone else? Arguable, but leaning towards no if his drug use was purely recreational.

[Guest]

See here, ralph:


http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news...067369217.html

Knowing the system and considering they were tested before matches, he took his recreational drugs after the match. So it never really gave him an advantage to calm him down during the match..




And.. alcohol, which calms a player down, would that be cheating too?

is... Kava which produces similar effects and helps players calm down illegal too?


Anyway, i think this post by someone on LU provides a balanced view:

Thanks for confirming that he WAS cheating the system. He knew it was wrong and still did it. And yes, he was a cheat. He used it in his recovery thus cheating.

I wont comment on your other extreem attempts on alcohol and Kava to try and justify it. If it was right, then why did he try to cover it up? CHEAT! and if he wasnt a cheat, then he was simply a druggo and hence my original comment about why channel nine STILL puts this blokes mug on tele???

[Chook Norris]

Thanks for confirming that he WAS cheating the system. He knew it was wrong and still did it. And yes, he was a cheat. He used it in his recovery thus cheating.

I wont comment on your other extreem attempts on alcohol and Kava to try and justify it. If it was right, then why did he try to cover it up? CHEAT! and if he wasnt a cheat, then he was simply a druggo and hence my original comment about why channel nine STILL puts this blokes mug on tele???

Unless i'm on another planet and ecstasy makes your muscles heal faster in the recovery period, then that drug use purely for recreational reasons grants you no noticeable advantages on game-day. Which is all that matters . is it not? Who am i to care about his drug use unless it drives performance on game day

If i was a player who took drugs on weekends out and come game-day had been clean in the system, i know with confidence i am not a cheat because i DO NOT have an unfair advantage during those 80 minutes of footy

[Guest]

He cant even tell $15 apart from $150

[Guest]

Chook, I think you will find that it is in the rules for league players. Thats why they are tested. Not just performance enhancing but recreational as well. And yes, I do treat it as cheating. If it helps a player calm down and cover their soreness or injuries, then they are cheating. Its not dencorub!

I'm convinced of one thing watching today's league. If they banned any drugs that numbed pain (legal and illegal) then most of the players on the field now wouldn't be able to do it week in week out.

Admittedly an obvious statement but most of those footballers are technically drug addicts.

[Salvatori Grubber]

Ralph - you are out of your depth.

I consider myself as successful, and my experiences as a youngster helped shape my success. Only one of either you and I are in a position to comment as to whether occasional, recreational drug use taken in moderation will by default be detrimental to your future success: me.

'Cause of the two of us, only I did it, did it safely, had great sex and danced like a loony. And what's more, I only endangered myself. Just as you endanger yourself when you drink, or drive, or play football.

FFS - have you ever gotten a speeding fine? Or a ticket for talking on your phone while driving? If you have, you have put others' lives at risk in a far greater way than your so-called "druggy".

[Salvatori Grubber]

I'll never understand Conservatives. Never.

[Guest]

Ralph - you are out of your depth.

I consider myself as successful, and my experiences as a youngster helped shape my success. Only one of either you and I are in a position to comment as to whether occasional, recreational drug use taken in moderation will by default be detrimental to your future success: me.

'Cause of the two of us, only I did it, did it safely, had great sex and danced like a loony. And what's more, I only endangered myself. Just as you endanger yourself when you drink, or drive, or play football.

FFS - have you ever gotten a speeding fine? Or a ticket for talking on your phone while driving? If you have, you have put others' lives at risk in a far greater way than your so-called "druggy".

I think it's fair to say that you can't put old heads on young shoulders.

Being young is about farking up and learning from it.

The pressure we put on 21 year old kids to be mature just because they are footballers is quite astounding.

[ism22]

I'm convinced of one thing watching today's league. If they banned any drugs that numbed pain (legal and illegal) then most of the players on the field now wouldn't be able to do it week in week out.

Admittedly an obvious statement but most of those footballers are technically drug addicts.

Yeah I sometimes wonder if it's boarderline cheating...

Pump yourself up with pain killers so that big hits don't hurt as much.