Official match day thread: Roosters versus Sharks

[SamKerrSimp]

None of that answers my question around your continual theory that you must complete at 80% or higher to win games.

You used the Roosters high completion rate in the first half as the reason why they lead the Bulldogs 14-0 but can’t seem to provide a reason as to why the Roosters lead the Sharks 20-6 with a 68% completion rate other than something about tries scored off kicks.

My point is simply that completion rates are not as important as you continually present them as. I would rather have 20 highly quality, value add sets rather than 25 average sets.

High completion, minimal risk footy is only one way to play the game.

Errors and completion rates are one of those stats that don't tell the full story. I watched a game a few weeks ago and I think it was the Dolphins or Newcastle who had completed all but 1 of their sets with a 95% completion rate at half time and the commentators were gushing which seems amazing when you see the stats but watching the game it was all just 1 out stuff without doing anything even remotely risky so of course their completion rate was going to be so high when they weren't doing anything with the ball.

I wish we got advanced stats like baseball, NBA etc have yeah sure the team had 70% completions with 12 errors but where did they lose the ball? Was it first or second tackle bringing the ball out of their own like the Knights do a lot or was it dropping the ball putting on some risky passes attacking the opponents line or dropping the ball when going up for an attacking kick in try scoring situations? Dropping the ball coming out from your own end is the real killer but it feels like the Roosters drop the ball a lot in the middle third of the field which isn't ideal obviously but not exactly end of the world stuff either.

I get what Salvo is saying in a general sense but these deceptions are why the eye test will always be king.

[Carlos Parra]

Errors and completion rates are one of those stats that don't tell the full story. I watched a game a few weeks ago and I think it was the Dolphins or Newcastle who had completed all but 1 of their sets with a 95% completion rate at half time and the commentators were gushing which seems amazing when you see the stats but watching the game it was all just 1 out stuff without doing anything even remotely risky so of course their completion rate was going to be so high when they weren't doing anything with the ball.

I wish we got advanced stats like baseball, NBA etc have yeah sure the team had 70% completions with 12 errors but where did they lose the ball? Was it first or second tackle bringing the ball out of their own like the Knights do a lot or was it dropping the ball putting on some risky passes attacking the opponents line or dropping the ball when going up for an attacking kick in try scoring situations? Dropping the ball coming out from your own end is the real killer but it feels like the Roosters drop the ball a lot in the middle third of the field which isn't ideal obviously but not exactly end of the world stuff either.

I get what Salvo is saying in a general sense but these deceptions are why the eye test will always be king.

You 'get what he is saying'?

I usually tune out after reading the first poorly constructed sentence.

[Carlos Parra]

Agree re Inane, Sparra. Word on the street is he may be a Rooster sympathiser. Although it's hard to tell as he yells the same way in every match.

Sampson is a shocka yes.

At least Inane has dropped the Goodbye! shit from his reportoire. I'm pretty sure he was, at least, ridin us home last night. There were small moments between him and Ennis when you could sense the divide. Ennis obviously pretty cocksure about his Sharks, and it was fun watching his hopes be gradually dashed.

What is her rugby league pedigree?

She carries on as if she has done battle with all the stars from decades ago. Her bon mots, reminiscences and anecdotes would have you believe that she was there on the day that Dally Messenger first ran onto the field. Faaark she irritates me!

[Inflictor]

Agree re Inane, Sparra. Word on the street is he may be a Rooster sympathiser. Although it's hard to tell as he yells the same way in every match.

Sampson is a shocka yes.

At least Inane has dropped the Goodbye! shit from his reportoire. I'm pretty sure he was, at least, ridin us home last night. There were small moments between him and Ennis when you could sense the divide. Ennis obviously pretty cocksure about his Sharks, and it was fun watching his hopes be gradually dashed.

One of Vonney's best bits of work.

[King Salvo]

None of that answers my question around your continual theory that you must complete at 80% or higher to win games.

You used the Roosters high completion rate in the first half as the reason why they lead the Bulldogs 14-0 but can’t seem to provide a reason as to why the Roosters lead the Sharks 20-6 with a 68% completion rate other than something about tries scored off kicks.

My point is simply that completion rates are not as important as you continually present them as. I would rather have 20 highly quality, value add sets rather than 25 average sets.

High completion, minimal risk footy is only one way to play the game.

Fast Start by the Roosters to lead 14 Nil after 12 or so minutes as the play by play shows in the link below - Sharks conceding 3 penalties - 2 of which gave the Roosters extra yardage ( kick for touch) and a fresh set of 6 enabling the attacking kick by Hugo for Toops tries and 1 a successful kick at goal.

If the Sharks don't give away those penalties especially the 2 that the Roosters made additional yardage from the kick for touch - The Roosters would more than likely finish those sets with a yardage general field kick instead.

https://www.nrl.com/draw/nrl-premier...ters-v-sharks/

Of course set completions are important which correlate with overall possession rates - ditto errors/penalties and set restarts conceded as these result in additional sets and yardage from kicks for touch.

Not sure any coach would be happy with their team completing 20 so called "quality" sets out of 35 or 40 though - maintaining and controlling possession is one of the KPI basics of the game as is where on the field you give your opposition possession - i.e last tackle kicks /general field kicks.

Teams struggle to defend back to back sets as anyone knows - Why would you want your D working overtime by not completing sets which could also affect your attack as it takes a lot of gas out of players having to defend more than they need to - the up and back creates the fatigue in D and not the actual tackle being made.

Penrith during their premiership seasons averaged 82% set completions and 54% possession - 2025 - 78% set completions and 50% possession - so down on previous seasons - vs Knights 78% set completions and 46% possession.

Nope I mentioned the poor completion rate in the first half being an issue that needed to be addressed vs Dogs - it was fixed to a degree 76% ( 17/22) but errors were a killer - dropped kicks - got away with it in the first half (11 errors) but if you keep giving your opposition repeat sets in your half eventually they will capitalise on it which the Dogs did.

Originally posted by King Salvo View Post
The Roosters really need to tidy up their set completions - that is far below what is required at NRL Level.

Roosters - 14/24 - 58%
Dogs - 16/19 - 84%

Roosters 11 errors to Dogs 3

[Mickie Lane]

Go the Chooks

[Rooster36]

Go the Chooks

You come on here and purposely play the contrarian and then get pissed off when someone takes an opposing opinion … love irony

[Bates]

You come on here and purposely play the contrarian and then get pissed off when someone takes an opposing opinion … love irony

You should come over to the "Say something nice" thread and allow the team to spoil you with as much niceness as you can ingest.

From there, we can move across to the lovely "Food Glorious Food" thread and we can chat in depth about your choice of culinary delights.

You need some love and I'm happy to help you as much as I can. Just reach out anytime you wish to have a chat.

Cheers Batesy.

[Steggles]

You should come over to the "Say something nice" thread and allow the team to spoil you with as much niceness as you can ingest.

From there, we can move across to the lovely "Food Glorious Food" thread and we can chat in depth about your choice of culinary delights.

You need some love and I'm happy to help you as much as I can. Just reach out anytime you wish to have a chat.

Cheers Batesy.

The Chookpen could do with some more genuinely nice fellas like you Bates. I tip my hat to you.

[Bates]

Teams don't go out and focus on improving their completion rate! They'll go out and try to execute their plays and be as proficient as possible with their fundamentals. You can break it down to 3 levels of risk in a teams playing system. Low, Medium and High. The Roosters under Robbo have always played high risk footy. The higher the risk the greater the chance of making an error. The rewards are also there and is why teams play high risk expansive footy.

We constantly hear about halfbacks having the ability to shut down a game. This is the game management aspect of a halves game. When a halfbacks wishes to close down a game, they wind back the level of risk and the focus becomes on completing your sets, getting to your kick and executing ones kick of choice with efficiency.