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  • The coachable things!

    Post season ponderings.....

    When I look at the Storm or Riff or any of the great sides including ours in recent years... sure, every team has their stars that steer the ship (great halves) and put the icing on the cake with a couple of freaks in key positions.

    But what they excel at above others are the things you should be able to train for and drill into a team...the coachable things!
    While I think we do fall short in the key areas, the concerning thing for me is how far we are behind them in the coachable/trainable things.

    What do great teams do well that is from training in which the coach leads and how do we compare?

    - A strong solid defensive line which moves quickly and resets quickly as well as scrambles. This is training, fitness and player selection to ensure mobility. This isn't something a team has because they have a star or 2. It is from hard work, good coaching and player selection/development. Where we lack is in having the small spot players in the line. It is so obvious from behind or above the play. These players make it a challenge for their surrounding team mates and often allow a quick play the ball.
    Robbo always said, he likes players who can attack then teaches them to defend. Well, they aint learning! And our line speed for 80 minutes doesn't match where it shoudl be.

    - A strong kicking game with a great chase .... again coaches select and develop the players, but for our lack of a strong kicker, our chase is also terrible. It should be a solid brick wall line. but is often all over the shop. This is coaching, training and athleticism (player types).

    - Discipline.... our penalty count is horrendous (although there is probably unconscious ref bias!) This is training/coaching.

    - Cohesion in attack.... we are on fire when all clicks, but when up against it, the ball hits the ground too many times.... training/coaching.


    An sure, you mightn't have the right players, but the coach needs to identify this during their development program and bring them in and through.

    Or is it just luck that everything comes together and it all works?

    Is it confidence or lack of that if you get all the training things right it means nothing because you know you have weaknesses?

    Canterbury were doing all the coaching/training things right this year... we are not.

    And this is where we look at Trent (who I really like) and ask the questions based on some basic observable KPI's not based on gut feels or hearsay.

    What else are the things any team should be able to do with good training/attitude etc.

  • #2
    The games not rocket science

    KPI's include
    • Possession %
    • Set Completions
    • Errors - i.e handing errors / missed tackles
    • Discipline - low penalties and set restarts conceded

    Would need to drill down on what some of these mean - only 12 difference in missed tackles for an example - how many missed tackled resulted in tries

    Possession %

    Roosters - 50%
    Penrith - 52%

    Set Completions

    Roosters - 80%
    Penrith - 81%

    Penalty Counts

    Roosters - 189
    Penrith - 158

    Errors

    Roosters - 290 - 263 handling errors
    Penrith - 273 - 246 handling errors

    Tackles

    Roosters - 9053
    Penrith - 9363

    Missed Tackles

    Roosters - 892
    Penrith - 880

    Ineffective Tackles

    Roosters - 380
    Penrith - 389

    Penalties Conceded

    Roosters - 189
    Penrith - 158

    Running Metres

    Roosters - 45043
    Penrith - 50487

    Kick Metres

    Roosters - 14985
    Penrith - 15581
    Last edited by King Salvo; 10-10-2024, 02:06 PM.

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    • #3
      Stats are one thing, but Penrith players seem to be more focused, driven, and hungry for success. Not sure if it's just a Penrith area thing or not. The old us are against them. Roosters players may be too comfortable living the affluent Eastern Suburbs lifestyle, where things may come a tad too easy and don't have to be worked for as hard as the folk from the suburbs have to.

      A lot of the best boxers came from average or poor backgrounds and were also hungry for success and saw boxing as a way they could be successful and make money and leave that background behind.

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      • #4
        The takeaway from those stats King Salvo might be that little percentages make a big difference in the end? A bit like in horse racing. You can win by a nose and the prize money between first and second is markedly different. The other thing that stands out is that despite Penrith having more possession and completing more sets, they also have a higher tackle count. (I think) this suggests that they keep the ball in play more often. If so, maybe that's because they know they are fitter than everyone else and they want to fatigue the opposition. Move the defence around, kick long, turn them around, chase hard. As you say, a simple game but some do it better than others.

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        • #5
          the loss of Boyd, Friend & Aubo is tremendous. They're no frill, non-flashy and the 1% players which we've struggle to find replacement for.

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          • #6
            If our goal line defence was like Penrith's then we win the comp. That is our archilles heel. We have lost three poor players in that area so hopefully next up can improve that. But there are a couple still remaining plus Elvis until Sammy is back.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by King Salvo View Post
              The games not rocket science

              KPI's include
              • Possession %
              • Set Completions
              • Errors - i.e handing errors / missed tackles
              • Discipline - low penalties and set restarts conceded

              Would need to drill down on what some of these mean - only 12 difference in missed tackles for an example - how many missed tackled resulted in tries

              Possession %

              Roosters - 50%
              Penrith - 52%

              Set Completions

              Roosters - 80%
              Penrith - 81%

              Penalty Counts

              Roosters - 189
              Penrith - 158

              Errors

              Roosters - 290 - 263 handling errors
              Penrith - 273 - 246 handling errors

              Tackles

              Roosters - 9053
              Penrith - 9363

              Missed Tackles

              Roosters - 892
              Penrith - 880

              Ineffective Tackles

              Roosters - 380
              Penrith - 389

              Penalties Conceded

              Roosters - 189
              Penrith - 158

              Running Metres

              Roosters - 45043
              Penrith - 50487

              Kick Metres

              Roosters - 14985
              Penrith - 15581
              How about 6 agains conceded?

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              • #8
                I reckon we were a chance with Sammy Walker and The Cheese and thought we were absolutely no chance once they got injured.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bates View Post

                  How about 6 agains conceded?
                  it’s when and where we get our 6 agains. I’ll bet a high percentage of ours are on the 1st or 2nd tackles and near the end of the half or after we’ve had hand a dozen penalties and 6As against us

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OMR View Post
                    it’s when and where we get our 6 agains. I’ll bet a high percentage of ours are on the 1st or 2nd tackles and near the end of the half or after we’ve had hand a dozen penalties and 6As against us
                    44% of set restarts the Roosters conceded were within 10 metres of the try line
                    Last edited by King Salvo; 10-10-2024, 11:44 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Most set restarts conceded - Top 50

                      1 - Sam Walker with 10
                      17 - Manu/Radley/Keary - 3
                      50 - Crichton - 2

                      Most Penalties conceded - Top 50 - 97 of the 189 penalties were conceded by 6 players

                      1 - Mahoney 21
                      2 - Angus Crichton 20
                      4 - Walker 19
                      10 - Radley - 16
                      10 - Keary - 16
                      18 - JWH - 15
                      44 - Sitili - 11

                      https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?c...4&stat=1000319

                      Last edited by King Salvo; 10-10-2024, 11:26 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ConGa View Post
                        the loss of Boyd, Friend & Aubo is tremendous. They're no frill, non-flashy and the 1% players which we've struggle to find replacement for.
                        Spot on.
                        Friend especially was terrier-like in defence and led the line speed very well. Awefully fit as well.

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                        • #13
                          Great contribution as always Nicola. Well done.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by King Salvo View Post
                            Most set restarts conceded - Top 50

                            1 - Sam Walker with 10
                            17 - Manu/Radley/Keary - 3
                            50 - Crichton - 2

                            Most Penalties conceded - Top 50 - 97 of the 189 penalties were conceded by 6 players

                            1 - Mahoney 21
                            2 - Angus Crichton 20
                            4 - Walker 19
                            10 - Radley - 16
                            10 - Keary - 16
                            18 - JWH - 15
                            44 - Sitili - 11

                            https://www.nrl.com/stats/players/?c...4&stat=1000319
                            I don’t believe the NRL’s stats on 6-agains, given many of the against us are phantom calls, therefore impossible to identify the culprit. I’m certain that Nat Butcher has given away more than 2 6-agains during the year whilst slowing down the ruck, yet he’s not on the list above Crichton.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jared off for 10 View Post

                              I don’t believe the NRL’s stats on 6-agains, given many of the against us are phantom calls, therefore impossible to identify the culprit. I’m certain that Nat Butcher has given away more than 2 6-agains during the year whilst slowing down the ruck, yet he’s not on the list above Crichton.
                              An anomaly is penalties awarded - Roosters have conceded the most penalties 189 but were awarded the second most penalties 152 - Penrith first with 155 (157 conceded) - Storm 150 (138 conceded)- Usually heavily penalised teams are down /near the bottom in the penalties awarded stats

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