Another cricket score penalty count against us

[Andrew Walker]

We've won two penalty counts all season. That's 2 out of 17 matches. That's unusual.

Perfectly normal for us.

[OMR]

I’m tempted to rewatch the game and count those 6 agains as watching live it seemed a lot more than the stats show. Just have to wait for my wife to have an afternoon shift so I can rewatch in peace and not have to explain why I’m watching something I knew the result of .

[Mickie Lane]

Go the Roosters

[mightyrooster]

The ref was hardly biased as the following match timeline demonstrates

The Roosters scored 30 points after being awarded penalties and or set restarts - Dragons 12

Interesting to note that in the first half the Roosters conceded 3 of the 5 penalties and 2 of the 3 set restarts when JWH was in the Sin Bin - Coincidence or tactics in slowing the game down?

1st Half - Roosters 14 - Dragons 6

Penalties conceded - Roosters 5 - Dragons 3
Set Restarts Awarded - Roosters 0 - Dragons 3

5:13 - Penalty Roosters
6:29 - Roosters converted try (Victor Radley)- 6-0
8:48 - Roosters penalty (Late Tackle)
9:34 - Penalty goal (Sam Walker) - 8-0
16:19 - Penalty Dragons ( High Tackle - JWH)
16:26 - JWH Sin Bin
18:34 - Penalty Dragons ( Early Tackle - Lindsay Collins)
19:00 - Set Restart Dragons ( Inside the 10- Lindsay Collins)
19:52 - Penalty Dragons ( Obstruction - Sitili)
20.59 - Set Restart Dragons ( Ruck Infringement - Angus Chrichton)
21:16 - Penalty Dragons ( Inside 10 - Sam Walker)
24:47 - Roosters Penalty ( Inside 10)
25:57 - Roosters converted try ( Dom Young)
26:50 - JWH back from the Sin Bin
35:21 - Penalty Dragons ( Dangerous Tackle - Michael Jennings)
35:59 - Set Restart Dragons (Ruck Infringement - Connor Watson)
36:22 - Dragons Converted try - 14-6


Second Half - Roosters 28 - Dragons 6

Penalties conceded - Roosters 2 - Dragons 1
Set restarts Awarded - Roosters 4 - Dragons 0

42.52 - Penalty Dragons (Marker not square- Nat Butcher)
46.58 - Penalty Dragons ( Dangerous Tackle - Sam Walker)
47.52 - Dragons Converted Try - 14-12
51.09 - Roosters Set Restart (Inside 10)
51.23 - Roosters Set Restart ( Ruck Infringement)
51.55 - Roosters converted try(Lindsay Collins) - 20-12
55.40 - Roosters Set Restart (Ruck Infringement)
56.33 - Roosters unconverted try (Angus Crichton) - 24-12
61.52 - Roosters converted try( James Tedesco) - 30-12
65.46 - Roosters converted try(Daniel Tupou) - 36-12
77:55 - Penalty Roosters ( Dangerous Tackle
78.23 - Roosters Set Restart (Inside 10)
78.23 - Roosters converted try( Sitili Tupouniua) - 42- 12

Thanks Salvo. I appreciate that.

1. You didn’t highlight the 6 penalties / 6a the merge received in the space of 5 mins when Jared was binned. Yes we probably were trying to slow the play down. However, I’ve witnessed many games where the ref tries to even things up, or at least be lenient on the team that’s down a player.
2. I was correct in that we didn’t receive our first 6a until the 50th minute! They must have been perfect up until that point. Ridiculous.
3. I dd miss the initial penalties we received at the start of the first half. Obviously with the SIX penalties / restarts they got in the space of 5 mins when we were down to 12 men got me agitated and I had forgotten the earlier penalties.
4. It’s interesting to see the correlation between the team with possession from refereeing penalties and restarts, and the points those teams are able to score.

[Vasco]

Perfectly normal for us.

True.

[BraveTheWorld]

Set Restarts - Roosters awarded 4 and Dragons 3

Rewatched the game and got the same count. And after rewatching it, I still have a bunch of questions and gripes.

I have no issue with how often we are penalised, however my main problem is when were are absolutely decimating teams through the middle, and can't buy a 6-again. I don't think we got a single one in the first half, and that just seems alarming with how dominant we are. When the Panthers get on top to that degree, they seem to receive them often (as they should - they're earning them).

I don't think any of the referees are out to get the Roosters, although I do think there is unconcious bias which plays a part. The Chooks are comfortably the most hated team in the comp, and I'm sure that factors in. Players like Napa, JWH and Radley have also been rightly penalised over the years, and now earn notably more attention than they should (generally speaking).

The fact that we're notably negative in penalty differential almost every year since 2000, across multiples coaches and rosters, is pretty alarming to me. Even still, as I mentioned, it's the ones we don't receive that particularly bug me. And how often our players are hit high with no action being taken. If Jennings doesn't stay down yesterday for instance, that shot gets entirely overlooked. The amount of times Collins has been collected high this year, with no action taken, is also really alarming.

I'll also just mention that bunker ruling of Luciano not being a disruptor (thus over-ruling the on-field referee) was atrocious. But Lord knows the bunker gets it wrong for other teams, as well.

[milanja]

……….. …P..W..D..L…F………A………………diff

Brisbane	15	9	2	4	68	4.53	61	4.07	66.67	+7
Canberra	15	7	3	5	83	5.53	72	4.80	56.67	+11
Canterbury	15	8	2	5	93	6.20	86	5.73	60.00	+7
Cronulla	15	3	6	6	71	4.73	81	5.40	40.00	-10
Dolphins	15	6	2	7	72	4.80	70	4.67	46.67	+2
Gold Coast Titans	14	6	1	7	67	4.79	63	4.50	46.43	+4
Manly	15	4	1	10	67	4.47	97	6.47	30.00	-30
Melbourne	15	9	0	6	88	5.87	75	5.00	60.00	+13
New Zealand	16	6	1	9	82	5.13	92	5.75	40.63	-10
Newcastle	15	8	1	6	82	5.47	76	5.07	56.67	+6
North Queensland	16	8	3	5	91	5.69	78	4.88	59.38	+13
Parramatta	15	9	1	5	90	6.00	79	5.27	63.33	+11
Penrith	15	6	1	8	82	5.47	81	5.40	43.33	+1
Souths	14	4	2	8	67	4.79	79	5.64	35.71	-12
St George Illawarra	15	9	0	6	80	5.33	80	5.33	60.00	+0
Sydney Roosters	16	5	1	10	95	5.94	104	6.50	34.38	-9
Wests Tigers	15	7	1	7	82	5.47	86	5.73	50.00	-4
Total penalties:1360 Total games:128 Ave/game:10.63

Going by this table, we have received the most penalties,but also conceded the most.
we have the 5th worst differential, have won 5 counts,drawn 1 and lost 10

not sure if yesterday’s game is included

[Carlos Parra]

Going by this table, we have received the most penalties,but also conceded the most.
we have the 5th worst differential, have won 5 counts,drawn 1 and lost 10

not sure if yesterday’s game is included

If we accept the NRL is filled with corrupt refs, then we can also accept that the match statisticians are in on the fraud. Not for a moment do I believe that Easts have received the most penalties this year. How can that be possible when they've only won the penalty count in 2 matches?

[BraveTheWorld]

If we accept the NRL is filled with corrupt refs, then we can also accept that the match statisticians are in on the fraud. Not for a moment do I believe that Easts have received the most penalties this year. How can that be possible when they've only won the penalty count in 2 matches?

By receiving more than the average, while conceding even more than the average.

If the average is to receive 5 for example, we might receive 6 and give away 8.

[player 1]

I have to correct some misinformation posted above. From the NRL website stats:

We have played 17 matches.

We have lost the penalty count 14 times, drawn it once and won it twice.

We HAVE NOT received the most penalties. We have received a total of 86 penalties. The VERY FIRST team I checked on the NRL website, going through the games one by one on the "draw" page was the bulldogs. They have received 93 penalties. That's more than us. So Milanja's post is misinformation, without me having to check even a single other team's stats.

If someone else wants to trawl through every other team's stats on the website to prove we've maybe received the second most penalties then go ahead. But I'm not going to bother on the basis of a clearly false statement. I'll bet there's quite a few teams who've received more penalties than us.

We have conceded 124 penalties. The next most penalised teams are the bulldogs and tigers on 95. That's MORE THAN 25 % penalised than any other team, and the season is largely over.

Here's our penalty count record over the season so far:

5-7 L
4-9 L
5-5 D
9-4 W
6-5 W
4-6 L
7-10 L
4-5 L
3-6 L
3-8 L
6-8 L
7-9 L
4-8 L
4-9 L
4-10 L
7-8 L
4-7 L

Total received = 86 Total conceded = 124

We have not won a penalty count since round 5.

And yet we have by far the best attack (by a massive margin) and the 3rd best defence.

Something does not compute with all this.

I contend we are clearly being refereed to a different standard than other sides, and that the NRL have something to answer for.

AND, this trend has been going on for the last couple of decades.

Intelligent responses and insights are welcome.

The usual bitchy wankers? Maybe it's time to put me on your ignore list.

[milanja]

I have to correct some misinformation posted above. From the NRL website stats:

We have played 17 matches.

We have lost the penalty count 14 times, drawn it once and won it twice.

We HAVE NOT received the most penalties. We have received a total of 86 penalties. The VERY FIRST team I checked on the NRL website, going through the games one by one on the "draw" page was the bulldogs. They have received 93 penalties. That's more than us. So Milanja's post is misinformation, without me having to check even a single other team's stats.

If someone else wants to trawl through every other team's stats on the website to prove we've maybe received the second most penalties then go ahead. But I'm not going to bother on the basis of a clearly false statement. I'll bet there's quite a few teams who've received more penalties than us.

We have conceded 124 penalties. The next most penalised teams are the bulldogs and tigers on 95. That's MORE THAN 25 % penalised than any other team, and the season is largely over.

Here's our penalty count record over the season so far:

5-7 L
4-9 L
5-5 D
9-4 W
6-5 W
4-6 L
7-10 L
4-5 L
3-6 L
3-8 L
6-8 L
7-9 L
4-8 L
4-9 L
4-10 L
7-8 L
4-7 L

Total received = 86 Total conceded = 124

We have not won a penalty count since round 5.

And yet we have by far the best attack (by a massive margin) and the 3rd best defence.

Something does not compute with all this.

I contend we are clearly being refereed to a different standard than other sides, and that the NRL have something to answer for.

AND, this trend has been going on for the last couple of decades.

Intelligent responses and insights are welcome.

The usual bitchy wankers? Maybe it's time to put me on your ignore list.

https://afltables.com/rl/misc/penalties.html

A manly fan sent it to me because he said they had a -30 differential, thought it was interesting it said we received the most.

[milanja]

List from fox sports, hope that’s more to people’s liking.

Name	PA	PC	SB	SO
1 Roosters	86	124	5	2
2 Storm	91	84	3	0
3 Cowboys	84	92	7	0
4 Sharks	74	89	2	0
5 Sea Eagles	90	81	3	0
6 Dolphins	62	79	2	0
7 Broncos	69	72	2	0
8 Panthers	81	91	3	0
8 Warriors	97	88	4	0
10 Dragons	97	74	2	0
11 Bulldogs	93	95	6	0
12 Titans	74	68	1	0
12 Eels	100	80	4	0
14 Rabbitohs	81	76	9	0
15 Raiders	90	71	4	0
16 Knights	83	80	5	0
17 Tigers	85	93.	13	0

[player 1]

List from fox sports, hope that’s more to people’s liking.

Name	PA	PC	SB	SO
1 Roosters	86	124	5	2
2 Storm	91	84	3	0
3 Cowboys	84	92	7	0
4 Sharks	74	89	2	0
5 Sea Eagles	90	81	3	0
6 Dolphins	62	79	2	0
7 Broncos	69	72	2	0
8 Panthers	81	91	3	0
8 Warriors	97	88	4	0
10 Dragons	97	74	2	0
11 Bulldogs	93	95	6	0
12 Titans	74	68	1	0
12 Eels	100	80	4	0
14 Rabbitohs	81	76	9	0
15 Raiders	90	71	4	0
16 Knights	83	80	5	0
17 Tigers	85	93.	13	0

So from that table, there are 7 teams who have received more penalties than us.

So definitely fake news if that table is accurate - they got the bulldogs penalties received count right, so I'm guessing the others are correct too.

So we get f.ucked sideways, and people want to lie about it too?

Funny or tragic, I don't know.

No offence to you Milanja BTW, I've long enjoyed your thoughtful posts.

[milanja]

So from that table, there are 7 teams who have received more penalties than us.

So definitely fake news if that table is accurate - they got the bulldogs penalties received count right, so I'm guessing the others are correct too.

So we get f.ucked sideways, and people want to lie about it too?

Funny or tragic, I don't know.

No offence to you Milanja BTW, I've long enjoyed your thoughtful posts.

No probs player, and thanks, gotta think how bad parra are going with receiving the most penalties and still being stuck on the bottom of the ladder.

[Vasco]

I have to correct some misinformation posted above. From the NRL website stats:

We have played 17 matches.

We have lost the penalty count 14 times, drawn it once and won it twice.

We HAVE NOT received the most penalties. We have received a total of 86 penalties. The VERY FIRST team I checked on the NRL website, going through the games one by one on the "draw" page was the bulldogs. They have received 93 penalties. That's more than us. So Milanja's post is misinformation, without me having to check even a single other team's stats.

If someone else wants to trawl through every other team's stats on the website to prove we've maybe received the second most penalties then go ahead. But I'm not going to bother on the basis of a clearly false statement. I'll bet there's quite a few teams who've received more penalties than us.

We have conceded 124 penalties. The next most penalised teams are the bulldogs and tigers on 95. That's MORE THAN 25 % penalised than any other team, and the season is largely over.

Here's our penalty count record over the season so far:

5-7 L
4-9 L
5-5 D
9-4 W
6-5 W
4-6 L
7-10 L
4-5 L
3-6 L
3-8 L
6-8 L
7-9 L
4-8 L
4-9 L
4-10 L
7-8 L
4-7 L

Total received = 86 Total conceded = 124

We have not won a penalty count since round 5.

And yet we have by far the best attack (by a massive margin) and the 3rd best defence.

Something does not compute with all this.

I contend we are clearly being refereed to a different standard than other sides, and that the NRL have something to answer for.

AND, this trend has been going on for the last couple of decades.

Intelligent responses and insights are welcome.

The usual bitchy wankers? Maybe it's time to put me on your ignore list.

What a joke that is.