Official Match Day Thread: Roosters v Broncos

[Rooster1908]

So when did Bellamy play Wing/ Fullback or Dummy Half

So they have a different coach for every position on the paddock .Long bow Salvo

[MKCS]

You can't prepare for a third of the team replaced.

I think for me it's that we didn't even really try to prepare for the rebuild last year. Who did we end up signing? Chad Townsend who was never meant to play first grade unless an emergency, Mark N and Makatoa? Why weren't we going hard after Luai? I know we were chasing Valentine Holmes a little bit but even someone like him would be beneficial for the team this season instead of relying on 2 rookies at centre and just praying they come good.

Robson comes in next year which is exciting but we still have plenty of key positions with ineffective players in them but don't seem to be linked to players that will fix those issues. For example, the club has said they have no interest in Dylan Brown but our best option in Brown's position is Sandon Smith, why aren't we pursuing Brown?

[Eggspert]

Personally, I wasn't proud of the output OR effort. Alot of tries were conceded due to lack of effort and turning up for each other. You don't lose by 50 on a wet and slippery night in the NRL if the effort on display is something to be proud of.

I like how you've referenced a work environment, because it raises another good point. Any smart business owner, would NEVER let so much experience leave at the same time without replacing them with quality/experienced employees to ensure that environment remains successful. If our 'competency' as a team is low, we need to look at why that is. Its up to Trent to provide a successful environment.

They showed good effort in getting to the ground & putting on their playing kit & running onto the field...

After that the effort on the field is the by-product of the coaching, preparation..etc..

The wet slippery surface helped the score stay under 60+....ridiculous to suggest the effort was there.

I remember Wayne Bennett's baby Broncos during the Origin period minus almost their whole starting team having wins & having respectable losses...

It's quite convenient to blame the cattle when the cowboy on the horse is the one running the show.

[Easts75]

I think the effort was there, which is the alarming aspect for me. I think that horrendous performance just comes down to a lack of ability. Way too many players out there whose grade is reserve grade.

[Qld Chook]

I know effort and output are not the same thing.

This is true in any workplace or any form of life, when you are new to something you can put in as much effort as you like but the output is more closely aligned to one’s competency. The more competent you get the more the output starts to align with your level of effort. I’m sure we can all relate to that.

I think Robinson was trying to convey two messages, 1) That he’s got a group of players who are willing to work hard, it’s now on him and his team to get them up to speed on the education of the game or “footy smarts” as a he called it and; 2) With new employees you want to create an environment where every failure is treated as a lesson, not as something they are going to get reprimanded for.

Reward the behaviour (Effort) and then provide coaching on the mistakes. That’s how you develop emerging talent.

So no, I have no problem with him praising the effort within the context of also acknowledging that competency was low. Both things can be true at the same time.

Personally, I wasn't proud of the output OR effort. Alot of tries were conceded due to lack of effort and turning up for each other. You don't lose by 50 on a wet and slippery night in the NRL if the effort on display is something to be proud of.

I like how you've referenced a work environment, because it raises another good point. Any smart business owner, would NEVER let so much experience leave at the same time without replacing them with quality/experienced employees to ensure that environment remains successful. If our 'competency' as a team is low, we need to look at why that is. Its up to Trent to provide a successful environment.

[Rooster_6]

So you'd agree with him that the effort on display last night was something to be proud of? And think it’s now funny that we lack footy smarts?

I know effort and output are not the same thing.

This is true in any workplace or any form of life, when you are new to something you can put in as much effort as you like but the output is more closely aligned to one’s competency. The more competent you get the more the output starts to align with your level of effort. I’m sure we can all relate to that.

I think Robinson was trying to convey two messages, 1) That he’s got a group of players who are willing to work hard, it’s now on him and his team to get them up to speed on the education of the game or “footy smarts” as a he called it and; 2) With new employees you want to create an environment where every failure is treated as a lesson, not as something they are going to get reprimanded for.

Reward the behaviour (Effort) and then provide coaching on the mistakes. That’s how you develop emerging talent.

So no, I have no problem with him praising the effort within the context of also acknowledging that competency was low. Both things can be true at the same time.

[Qld Chook]

That's probably more to my point, in your mind "he's done" so anything he does is going to irritate you.

So you'd agree with him that the effort on display last night was something to be proud of? And think its funny that we lack footy smarts?

[Qld Chook]

You do know that head coaches don't develop players which is why they have assistant coaches and specialists/consultants etc.

Do you think Bellamy developed Cameron Smith and Billy Slater for instance,

Id be shocked if head coaches if head coaches dont contribute to player development.

The Cam Smith & Billy Slaters of the world dont need the same development as the Josh Kings, Nick Meaney's, Will Warbricks & Eli Katoa's. To think Bellamy hasnt had any influence on the development of these players is ludicrious.

[King Salvo]

Says King Salvo.

Tell us all what the players wages were in 1992 then

[Rooster_6]

Last game in 1992 when players had full time jobs and trained twice a week.

Says King Salvo.

[SamKerrSimp]

I tend to agree with you , legitimately he only has won three premierships . So why is he considered the greatest ever !!Cleary has won 4 in a row and Robbo has won three !

Let's not forget his disastrous stint as NSW coach where he was accused of going soft on his Queensland Storm contingent and losing 40-0 in a grand final. Melbourne had teams that should have won the comp every year how has Bellamy got this greatest of all time moniker?

[Bates]

Bellamy won 3 premierships in 20 years of coaching with an immortal 1, 7, 9 and constantly stacked teams he has performed well under par for the teams he has had.

No one is stating that Bellamy is the GOAT or in that conversation.

[King Salvo]

Craig Bellamy played 5 games on the wing, 66 games at centre, 36 games at 5/8, 6 games at halfback and 45 games off the bench as a Utility.

And he did play a game at fullback in the Panasonic Cup

https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/c...s/summary.html

Last game in 1992 when players had full time jobs and trained twice a week.

[Bates]

So you admit Bellamy only provided the framework now having never played those positions - So obviously assistant coaches and specialist coaches/consultants must have played a significant role in their development as well as whatever Junior Pathway system they came through as well.

Motivation - Players are self motivated the same as you are - does your management at your workplace have to contact you each morning to wake you up on work days plus ensure you have your breakfast and get ready for work and then arrive at work on time and undertake the activities of your role.

You don't seem to have much of a grasp on what training and development occurs at the junior level i,e academies and junior rep let alone senior reps and NRL level.

Same Period of Coaching from 2013

Robinson - 3 Premierships
Bellamy - 2 Premierships

Stop trolling.

Go and find something constructive to do with your time!

[B2B]

Bellamy won 3 premierships in 20 years of coaching with an immortal 1, 7, 9 and constantly stacked teams he has performed well under par for the teams he has had.

I tend to agree with you , legitimately he only has won three premierships . So why is he considered the greatest ever !!Cleary has won 4 in a row and Robbo has won three !