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  • Originally posted by Eggspert View Post

    Why is one defiant Robbo critic in a sea of Robbo lovers an issue?

    Truth hurts? Don't want to believe a Roosters legend coach is just an average one now?

    It's glaringly obvious that Robbo is the issue.

    I obviously was a giant Robbo fan in his hey day but guess what...things change sometimes for the worst like his coaching & my opinion of him now.

    Unlike some I don't have blind love in mediocrity.
    Well, you do bang on about it, one has to say, a tad too much. Can you repost the posts where you ever backed Coach Robinson, as it will be interesting to see these?

    Coach Robinson has coached the Roosters to 3 premierships and missed finals only once back in 2016 under his tutelage. - If you purely judge success as winning the comp, then 15, or now 16, coaches have failed in that achievement. So in your view, since none have been able to match Penrith these past 4 years, then all should be sacked then.

    Of course that is not going to happen.

    What is mediocrity, though, not making the finals or winning the comp?

    If you follow team sports, you know only one team can win the comp, and there is never any shame in giving it your best shot under whatever circumstances prevail including the rough decisions the Roosters copped in two of those games.
    Last edited by King Salvo; 02-03-2025, 11:26 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Headless Chook View Post

      Is it him or the system that he inherited though? It took him 15 years to win anything so if he's such a coaching guru why was he not successful anywhere else? He had one good year at the Warriors where they made a GF but prior to parachuting into the empire that Gus built he did nothing
      Some system if that's the case. I think at least some credit needs to go to I Cleary.

      We will never know unless he leaves his post and they continue to be successful.

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      • Originally posted by HunchoRooster View Post

        Some system if that's the case. I think at least some credit needs to go to I Cleary.

        We will never know unless he leaves his post and they continue to be successful.
        I agree, he's obviously doing something right but if it was all down to him, then why did it take him so long to win a comp?

        Some people on here are quick to disparage the record of our coach and say he only won his premierships because of Sonny Bill or Cooper Cronk or some other player and then want to laud the feats of some other coach (such as Cleary) despite him obviously having a stacked team as well. Hence why I said I get the reference to Bellamy because he has just had continued success all the way through regardless of the player drain

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        • Originally posted by Headless Chook View Post

          I agree, he's obviously doing something right but if it was all down to him, then why did it take him so long to win a comp?

          Some people on here are quick to disparage the record of our coach and say he only won his premierships because of Sonny Bill or Cooper Cronk or some other player and then want to laud the feats of some other coach (such as Cleary) despite him obviously having a stacked team as well. Hence why I said I get the reference to Bellamy because he has just had continued success all the way through regardless of the player drain
          He got the Warriors to a GF and regular finals footy which in itself is almost as good as an achievement as winning a comp given the state of that club over the last few decades.


          I acknowledge your point though. First couple of seasons at the Riff he wasn't anything special. Seems like theyve just struck lightning in a bottle now.

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          • Back to the topic, for those who missed it..... Politis has come out against this signing....

            https://www.zerotackle.com/sydney-ro...rest.%E2%80%9D

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            • Originally posted by Nicola Tesla View Post
              Back to the topic, for those who missed it..... Politis has come out against this signing....

              https://www.zerotackle.com/sydney-ro...rest.%E2%80%9D

              Nick is not going to act too interested and weaken his bargaining power. Imo
              standard practice

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              • Originally posted by Nicola Tesla View Post
                Back to the topic, for those who missed it..... Politis has come out against this signing....

                https://www.zerotackle.com/sydney-ro...rest.%E2%80%9D
                When Nick comes out in the media and says we’re not interested I believe him.

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                • If Unk Nick wasn't interested in Brown the smart play would be to state the opposite and inflate Browns price . Other clubs paying overs would only benifit the Roosters wouldn't it.

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                  • Originally posted by Bondicigar View Post
                    Nick is not going to act too interested and weaken his bargaining power. Imo
                    standard practice
                    Politis: “We are not interested. Whenever a big-name player comes off contract he is linked to us. It's managers just trying to create interest.”

                    I think it's pretty clear we're not interested. IMO he'll stay at Parra and is just trying to bump his asking price up closer to $1m.

                    Nick's made it pretty clear he's sick of players basically calling us to say 'can we have a talk?' and then telling other clubs 'we're in discussions with the Roosters'.

                    FWIW one of my previous employers always got gamed by low-grade graduates doing this. The pattern was that the employer only wanted 'GO8' graduates... so you'd get a bus load of pass grade grads from Perth and Adelaide coming to Canberra as grads to tick that 'GO8' box. They'd put in a lacklustre performance across the ~9 months of their program (one cohort couldn't even organise end of year drinks - it was a farce!!!) They'd then get a generous promotion for finishing the program and STRAIGHT AWAY would be demanding middle-management positions on the basis that they were 'talking with other employers'. Instead of calling these childish bluffs, the employer bent over backwards to find middle-management roles for them (which often involved 'managing' me, which I didn't need as I was fully independent but I was happy to be polite to them as they charged through the emotional process of doing management 101 courses & practicing being a hard@rse on me, while robotically following their management 101 manual). The result was that all the more experienced staff (myself included) left as the middle-management roles were all stacked with sassy children from Perth/Adelaide and the organisation itself got stuck paying overs for them (so had nothing left for others when they quietly said 'hey I actually have an offer elsewhere... yeah... I quietly applied... starts ASAP and pays more... bye').

                    It's a rant but IMO there must be a lot of NRL players like this who aren't ready for a promotion but use the whole story about 'talking to the Roosters' to try and force another team's hand.

                    With all due respect for Mr Brown... I wouldn't even be confident that he's better than Sandon Smith!!! Parra came 3rd last despite having a fair amount of talent on their books. In what parallel world does this sorta form result in a half being suitable for a contract upgrade to $1.2m? Sorry bro. It's all a bluff and if anything, I reckon Parra should punish him for being greedy as greed/entitlement impacts your culture.

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                    • Originally posted by King Salvo View Post

                      The Mercurial Hutchinator gave it his best for the Roosters in 71 NRL games including suffering a serious injury—fractured ribs and a collapsed lung, which put him in the hospital 3 times with that collapsed lung.

                      Mrs Salvo was shocked to see what I think Brett Morris was doing in that leg movement on the Hutchinator, as they would sometimes do that manoeuvre for people that were winded.

                      The Hutchinator was not winded, though—such an injury could cause serious damage to the heart, liver, and spleen, for instance, as well as bleeding in the chest cavity.

                      Not sure why people see it as some sort of right to beat up on players on so many social media sites, noting the great Sunil Gavaskar's view that nothing is social on social media.

                      Why do people knock a bloke for something they could never do though - Are they Jealous because of their own inadequacies perhaps in any sport they attempted to play and or whatever field or profession that ply their trade in ?

                      Be interested to know the reasons

                      Already reported the Roosters are not interested in Brown and rightfully so - give the youngsters their time to shine
                      The only reason we go on about Hutch is to wind you up.

                      Hook, line and sinker once again!

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                      • Originally posted by MKCS View Post

                        People are advocating for the signing of Brown because it's unlikely that Sandon Smith will reach the heights that Brown has, at age 22 Dylan Brown was a runner up in a grand final, had consistently played first grade for four seasons, played plenty of finals footy and had been selected for a "first tier" national team where he is a first choice half.

                        In comparison Sandon Smith has played 2 half seasons for the Roosters where he hasn't been able to consistently crack first grade and from memory has mostly come off the bench. Sandon Smith is very unlikely to ever be a runner up in a grand final as a starting half or be selected for Australia/State Of Origin as a first choice. To me he has bench utility or Super League written all over him.

                        With the young players, yeah they might disappear but does it really matter? As you said yourself Brown is 25 this year, Walker is 23 this year that's a halves combination that we could keep together for 5-7 seasons and would lead to us having a world class halves combination which is what we've needed since our grand final win in 2019. Watson will likely move on within 2-3 years as he turns 29 this season so perhaps one of those young players could become a decent bench utility option for us but if we sign Brown that's our halves combo sorted until at least 2030.

                        The one thing we've lacked over the past 5 years is a dangerous spine but Tedesco, Brown, Walker and Robson would definitely be competitive with every spine in the comp. That's why we must not take a gamble on a youth player and instead sign a proven star first grader.

                        I hope the coaching staff are reading it like this.

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                        • Originally posted by MKCS View Post

                          People are advocating for the signing of Brown because it's unlikely that Sandon Smith will reach the heights that Brown has, at age 22 Dylan Brown was a runner up in a grand final, had consistently played first grade for four seasons, played plenty of finals footy and had been selected for a "first tier" national team where he is a first choice half.

                          In comparison Sandon Smith has played 2 half seasons for the Roosters where he hasn't been able to consistently crack first grade and from memory has mostly come off the bench. Sandon Smith is very unlikely to ever be a runner up in a grand final as a starting half or be selected for Australia/State Of Origin as a first choice. To me he has bench utility or Super League written all over him.

                          With the young players, yeah they might disappear but does it really matter? As you said yourself Brown is 25 this year, Walker is 23 this year that's a halves combination that we could keep together for 5-7 seasons and would lead to us having a world class halves combination which is what we've needed since our grand final win in 2019. Watson will likely move on within 2-3 years as he turns 29 this season so perhaps one of those young players could become a decent bench utility option for us but if we sign Brown that's our halves combo sorted until at least 2030.

                          The one thing we've lacked over the past 5 years is a dangerous spine but Tedesco, Brown, Walker and Robson would definitely be competitive with every spine in the comp. That's why we must not take a gamble on a youth player and instead sign a proven star first grader.
                          My biggest concern with Dylan Brown is that I don't think he and Walker compliment each other, both are naturally creative halves who like to play off the cuff. I think we saw with Keary and Walker that it just was never going to work.

                          I also don't buy into the argument that we haven't had a dangerous spine, Tedesco-Keary-Walker-Smith was the most dangerous spine this year, no starting spine combined for more try involvements in the comp.

                          But again to my first point, being dangerous is nice but if you can't control a game, dictate tempo and positively influence the performance levels of players around you as a spine you're just not going to compete against the best sides in the comp.

                          I'm much more comfortable with the style of player coming through the grades than I am with Dylan Brown, at ~1.2m the risk that he and Walker don't click is just too large for mine.

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                          • Dafuk... when did Dylan Brown play in a GF? He's played since 2019 and only for the one club. Parra haven't made a GF since 2009 despite having a team that the pundits always view as being top 4-8 quality.

                            Yes Brown's played regular first grade, but Parra are hardly up there with Easts. Also sure he's played for NZ but so what... are we saying he's better than Walker and you'd be happy to dispose of the lowly club-grade Walker for 'the NZ half'? I think not.

                            Maybe such experience would at least mean he's cool headed and a true professional? Cool but what's the one thing we all remember him for?
                            > In round 9 of the 2021 NRL season, Brown was placed on report after diving over the top of Sydney Roosters player Drew Hutchison as he was in the act of scoring a try. Hutchison was rushed to hospital during the game with suspected broken ribs and a punctured lung. Brown was later suspended for three weeks over the incident.

                            IMO it's ridiculous to suggest that our club would not only sack a local junior for him, but would also pay upwards of $1m for the 'pleasure'.

                            Yes he's more established than a rising youngster who we're not rushing it with. However, so farkin' what? I'd take Hutcho back before signing a grub who disgraced his jersey & family with that BS dog shot for which he only got 3 weeks. At least Hutcho's a quality human being who makes good decision... I'd prefer a guy who takes his sweet farkin' time to make good decisions over a dog [so and so] who makes quick spur of the moment decisions of the class/quality we'll remember him for.

                            I dare say Uncle Nick's banned the so and so from coming anywhere near our club and rubbished his self-promotion tactics when talking to the papers because he knows we'll never want him and couldn't care less about what it does for his career. Nick's never been this blatant/public about not wanting a guy... he wouldn't just give the papers a targeted sledge like that for no reason IMO.
                            Last edited by ism22; 02-05-2025, 11:03 PM.

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                            • Paramatta played in the 2022 Grand Final.

                              Admittedly one of the most forgettable grand finals & finals series in general.

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                              • Originally posted by Rooster_6 View Post
                                Paramatta played in the 2022 Grand Final.

                                Admittedly one of the most forgettable grand finals & finals series in general.
                                Fair enough - I stand corrected on that point

                                To be fair I don't follow Parra much so he coulda been a gun who was instrumental in their march towards that GF. However, they got flogged in the GF and I doubt a lot of fans are scared when they see old mate Dillo lining up against them.

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