The Judiciary System is an embarrassment to the game

[Johnny73]

IMO it's important to remember that it's not a court or a legal process, although they use terms such as 'charges', 'judiciary', 'duty of care', 'plead', 'guilty' and 'fine'.

It's an internal disciplinary process with no such statutory powers that for whatever reason grandstands as though it's a court.

As I noted in another thread, it's like challenging your uni grades through 'the process' (i.e. telling the lecturer they farked up... then telling the head of school that a lecturer who they probably hired/endorsed did a shyte job). It's not there to test the law... it's there to hand out punishments to staff who (essentially) their internal investigations team have already decided to have broken the rules.

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Heck... reminds me of a shyte situation where a colleague (oooold old job) died (and had a brother working with him who was my housemate + close friend). This random, full hectic lebbo chick (who was shagging all the bosses - she was like 50 but had a boob job and lotsa cosmetic surgery so was 'appealing' to various bosses) suddenly became interested in the guy so asked me for his brother's contact details and their family address. At that point the dude (my housemate) wasn't even responding to my calls/messages so I was like 'no - I think he needs some space and you can talk to him when he's back from personal leave'.

She took it personally and started sending me heaps of inflammatory messages on our internal chat system + doing heaps of divisive shyte to undermine me behind my back (she was pretty junior but again, was in bed with various bosses). I filed an internal complaint about her. HR admitted her behaviour was pretty farked but managers refused to discipline her and HR were ultimately like 'the best solution is for you to move to a different area and have no further contact with her.

It was a shyte resolution that had no legal underpinning. However it was the easiest for the organisation as all the relevant managers refused to pickup the phone to me or respond to my e-mails (HR asked me to contact them, noting that managers would possess the skills/nous to handle such sensitivities - yeah nah - not when they're sleeping with her).

I COULD have taken it further and sought legal advice. However, it was easiest to just take the fix (resulted in me getting transferred to the legal area with an agreement that my law degree would be fully funded) so that was more valuable to me than seeing some random Lebbo chick get taken down.

That's the NRL's judiciary for you though. Think easiest solution for the organisation... NOT a legal fact finding process.

You had morals, she didn't. You can look at yourself in the mirror in the morning. She probably looks like something death puked up after a Meth bender.

[Nicola Tesla]

Why does the NRL have a silk advocating for the charges put forward by the MRC in an adversarial manner rather than the truth?

Adversarial is the word! It makes no sense that the NRL sees ridiculous punishments as the answer to this!
The NRL should be doing whatever it can to have the best players playing every minute of every week, not doing what it can to rub players out for games or sin bins!
They are marketing a product, then weakening it!
How many casual viewers would have tuned in to watch origin 1, only to see it ruined by having a player sent off!
(hard not to justify that I guess) but the sin bins etc are too much and a reason I don’t go to as many games anymore! Why pay to see it ruined by over zealous officials!

[Mayes Magic]

Why does the NRL have a silk advocating for the charges put forward by the MRC in an adversarial manner rather than the truth?

[Waylander]

Listening to the radio this morning, 2 AFL players have just had their suspensions overturned or reduced after challenging their judiciary rulings at the "AFL Appeals Board". Now, why doesn't the NRL have an avenue to appeal? Surely no one body can be considered to be above making any kind of error? Short of using the Court of Arbitration for Sport, there is no way an NRL player can dispute the fairness of a ruling by the NRL judiciary. And there would be no point using the CoAfS in most cases as the process is so long as to be of no use.

It's ludicrous that there is no body within the NRL's setup to appeal to in cases of stupid decisions.

[ism22]

So DCE gets no charge from the SOO3 melee,Reece gets nothing from kicking to the head, and JWH has his 4 weeks....

Wasn't DCE penalised for tackling Luai without the ball? (A call I thought we were lucky with as it was a knock-on and Luai seemed to intentionally shove himself into DCE rather than go for the ball). It was then some other dude who came in and got sin-binned for running in to shove Luai.

Agreed it's BS though. I saw LOTS of high contact that was just ignored. Sua'ali'u, Pauga or JWH though? Thank you for playing... here's a ridiculously long suspension for accidental high contact.

The crackdown's a joke.

Somebody should say the name Ethan Lowe. Problem?

- He's suing for $1m (not that much) and it's due to a crusher tackle causing some sorta paralysis.

- The NRL's insurer refused to pay the $1m because he's been videoed jet skiing and dancing to Time Warp with his wife. He also kept playing after the injury. The Federal Court backed the insurer.

- A crackdown wouldn't have prevented this situation. Also it's not US style mega-litigation. It's an individual claiming a relatively small amount of money (which he might not even get!!!) Whereas US-style mega litigation would involve thousands of Souffs fans jamming in with claims they'd suffered $10m each worth of emotional trauma over the injury. Australia's system doesn't work like that...

[BEC]

So DCE gets no charge from the SOO3 melee,Reece gets nothing from kicking to the head, and JWH has his 4 weeks....

When it happened, my wife said JWH would have been sent off for what Cherry Evans did...but he won't be touched because of who he is.

[gragra]

So DCE gets no charge from the SOO3 melee,Reece gets nothing from kicking to the head, and JWH has his 4 weeks....

[roosterchook]

Let the two teams fight it out and get rid of the bunker and judiciary and Origin. Make the game all about your team trying to crush their opponents. The ref should be limited to 2 penalties per match only for severe breaches. No send offs, no sin bins, no HIA. Let’s return to making this a real tough man’s sport where no inch is given. Make it tough, make it rough and no more stupid 6 agains. Then and only then could it be called Rugby League the greatest game of all.

[Bates]

This reaming is proudly brought to you by The Sportsbet Bunker.

[Renman]

Jayden Sewer has 2 charges and cops a $1000 fine for sending MJ off for a HIA. Salmon .. deliberate, very late and high. 2 Weeks. David Klemmer , 3rd offence, $3000 fine.

Yeh, that makes sense.

[The Bondi spy]

[QUOTE=Tom Verlaine's Ghost;n1062154]In this entire season, to date, I've seen about 3 or 4 genuine head high tackles.

The rest -- just like JWH's -- are just politically correct bullshit, pandering to the lawyers, pansies, and assorted old ladies who run the game.[/QUOTE

our three quarters have done 3 of them

[Tom Verlaine's Ghost]

In this entire season, to date, I've seen about 3 or 4 genuine head high tackles.

The rest -- just like JWH's -- are just politically correct bullshit, pandering to the lawyers, pansies, and assorted old ladies who run the game.

[Waylander]

Their sole purpose seems to be to validate the officiating. Nothing could be more misguided.

[Steggles]

Nice post Bec - your comment in the IMHO paragraph … it’s tragic that fans media and clubs are letting league officials …. Etc
please reconsider including the media as they collude with the NRL - it’s a partnership and will always back their partner whilst printing stories contrary to it. It’s all a smother to appease others whilst it generates income.

Let’s not forget betting agencies as partners. The NRL hierarchy are sailing very close to the wind if could be proven beyond reasonable doubt that they are influencing the outcome of games and their partners and/or themselves are profiting from such influence. What industry did PVL emerge from again?

[bondi paul]

A judicial system without a legitimate avenue to challenge a charge is a clear sign that the overlords are not concerned with getting the call right or concerned with what is best for the game. They care most about being able to manipulate the system so that they can affect the players and teams that don't bow to their wishes.

The primace that you receive a lesser penalty for not bringing a challenge is simply a system set up to allow bad calls to go uncorrected. If they weren't looking to manipulate things and protect the refs that are on the pitch carrying out their manipulations, then they would have a system that reviews EVERY call sent to the committee in a public forum. It is done for practically every try...why not for players put on report?...Because the aren't concerned with getting it right. They only care about their own goals and the power to make it happen.

IMHO...it is tragic that the fans, media and clubs are letting league officials get away with this and other rule changes over the past 10 years that give them a greater ability to control things with less accountability. This is one reason the attendance and TV viewership is increasing at a rate less than general population growth and much slower than other Australian sports such as AFL, Rugby union, and basketball. (Look at per game numbers as total NRL attendance is up a bit due to the addition of a 17th team).

Enough of my rant. It's just that NRL has become my favorite sport to watch and I hate that people with an agenda are making it their own personal playground while telling the players and fans to fvck off.

Nice post Bec - your comment in the IMHO paragraph … it’s tragic that fans media and clubs are letting league officials …. Etc
please reconsider including the media as they collude with the NRL - it’s a partnership and will always back their partner whilst printing stories contrary to it. It’s all a smother to appease others whilst it generates income.