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Any happy alliance between the ALP and the Greens is highly unlikely. Most Greens supporters are former ALP voters disillusioned with the conservatism of the modern party, especially with regard to foreign policy. They see that many on the ALP right in government are indistinguishable from those across the so called divide on matters like AUKUS, Israel, Ukraine and the general subservience to the interests of the US.
Are you familiar with Greens policies "08 or is yours a Pavlovian response conditioned by right wing media? A much better approach is to be informed (look at the The Greens' website) and criticise objectively rather by rehashing crude Murdoch propaganda. In an editorial years ago the Australian declared ideological war on the Greens and that means that anything that it publishes about the Party should be viewed with large measures of scepticism or dismissed out of hand.
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Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View PostAny happy alliance between the ALP and the Greens is highly unlikely. Most Greens supporters are former ALP voters disillusioned with the conservatism of the modern party, especially with regard to foreign policy. They see that many on the ALP right in government are indistinguishable from those across the so called divide on matters like AUKUS, Israel, Ukraine and the general subservience to the interests of the US.
Are you familiar with Greens policies "08 or is yours a Pavlovian response conditioned by right wing media? A much better approach is to be informed (look at the The Greens' website) and criticise objectively rather by rehashing crude Murdoch propaganda. In an editorial years ago the Australian declared ideological war on the Greens and that means that anything that it publishes about the Party should be viewed with large measures of scepticism or dismissed out of hand.
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More like the 80's for Laboring on
Peter Dutton should be running the country then if he has such a portfolio.
The Libs/Nats don't and have never denied they are pro-capitalism, whereas the Champagne/Chardonnay Socialists/Bollinger Bolsheviks (Laboring on/Lefties) are ostensibly in conflict with their movement's political ideology and beliefs. Liberal elites like the Democrats in the US.
I assume why a number of Laboring on voters switched to the Watermelon Party when Laboring on became capitalists.
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Originally posted by King Salvo View PostLiberal elites like the Democrats in the US...
US lefties are basically capitalists who show a twitch of skepticism about gun laws, would ideally like some sorta national healthcare system (like Medicare) but know it's 'extreme communism' and may be pro-abortion.
Whereas in Australia it's John Howard who banned guns and medicare/abortion aren't really matters of contention.
IMO if Dutton continues to behave like a Temu Trump, he might find that Aussies respond differently.
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* Here's hoping Isambard but I seriously doubt that your average voter is at all discerning. He's been long conditioned otherwise by the Plutocratic paradigm that we have here. He has little to no interest in political issues. The class that takes politics most seriously, to point of executing a Coup in '75, has convinced him that it's all bullshit and nothing to do with him.
* Hey Sal, you've repeated what I said earlier albeit with a little distortion. Tories are not out and proud about wealth, they keep it dark. After 1910 when Labor won government after just 10 years of existence, Conservative (rich) forces coalesced, shit scared of what socialism might mean to vested interest. The revolution in Russia brought things into even more sharp relief and since then the LNP's raison d'etre has been keeping progressive parties out of office.
* As suspected '08, you don't know much about the Greens or their policies. You've drunk the Murdoch Cool Aid and why wouldn't you when he controls 70+% of print media and extensive electronic media. Consequently, you're in the closed mind category. "Hindering progress" is a point of view which is really not a popular view when the phrase is unpacked - it involves serious deregulation, abandoning important climate considerations and multinational corporate behaviour - is Laissez-faire your go? Every man for himself and the Devil take the hindmost?
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Originally posted by King Salvo View PostOh my, do people actually vote for the watermelon party? Only forced to on the House of Reps ballot paper, as you have to number all boxes in order of your preference—we always put these commies last and laboring on second last.
There is a large population in Sydney's west who are dissatisfied with the Labour government's actions/views on the Gaza situation, and they certainly do not like Dutton's views. They have repeatedly publicly praised The Greens on this issue. It'll be interesting to see if there are any swings away from the big 2 in Sydney's west
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I’m learning some new terminology here today. Labor on lefties, can that be abbreviated to Lol? Watermelon Party? When the ACT had its first election under self government we had the Sundried Tomato Party and the Party Party Party Party. Interesting.
By the way I believe the Trump effect will have a say on this election. Sadly.
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"Watermelon Party" is a dumb old jibe that our paragon of moral virtue, Jonesy, used to excess. Sal has resurrected it in his characteristically lame way - Green on the outside etc. Jonesy was/is against it? Gotta be good, right?
Such mindless slogans work unforch, just look at '08 and Sal. Don't know much apart from that slogan and their minds are made up. Three cheers for toiling to a reasoned conclusion.Last edited by Paddo Colt 61; 02-05-2025, 05:12 PM.
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Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post"Watermelon Party" is a dumb old jibe that our paragon of moral virtue, Jonesy, used to excess. Sal has resurrected it in his characteristically lame way - Green on the outside etc. Jonesy was/is against it? Gotta be good, right?
Such mindless slogans work unforch, just look at '08 and Sal. Don't know much apart from that slogan and their minds are made up. Three cheers for toiling to a reasoned conclusion.
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Not sure what Capitalist Paddo's is banging on about in criticising others and saying they have made up their minds when it is quite obvious to all that he has.
Does anyone think he will say anything nice about the Libs/Nats on here even though his fondness for capitalism and the lifestyle that goes with it would see him being more of a Libs/Nats voter?.
I have a feeling this thread will be flooded with the usual far-left commie/socialist propaganda twaddle that Capitalist Paddo is known to quote from those daft far-lefty/conspiracy theorist sites he frequents. Menadue's Malarkey Swirls and Deviations and Full Moon over Alabama
How many times will he mention MSN/Murdoch in his posts for instance - less than 50 times or more than 100?
Lots of other people have used the term watermelons to describe the so-called Greenies party—here and overseas—Greens because they are Green with envy.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2004-09-...greens/2039140
July 31, 2010 — 3.00am
Last week it was Paul Howes, the national secretary of the Australian Workers' Union, getting stuck in. Before noting his great respect for Brown in an article in The Sunday Telegraph, he let fly at Rhiannon, calling her and her ilk watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside. A hoary old favourite of critics of the Greens, one that first appeared in the US in the 1990s.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...730-10zsb.html
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No MR. Stay on and fight the good fight. I'm not falling into that trap again. I might add that it's ironic because I've always had his back over on the other place. He's a valuable Penner but that Jesuitical attention to detail, the pedantry and, it needs to be said, arrogance that has antagonised some over there is transferred to this Forum out of spite as it were. Either that or we're dealing with an Opus Dei mole.
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